Next 3 Games may determine if Jones has control of Team

[DaddyChad]

The idea that every time a team fails it's because they weren't giving good effort is completely dumb.

Agreed.

I think when you're getting your arse handed to you on the field there is going to be some loss of mental focus and sometimes the body language looks as if some aren't trying. This team shows a lot more mental toughness and confidence at home right now.

 

[LaagerVol]

You know what, we have EVERY right to be negative and miserable! Have you been around the past 4-5 years? We are starving for success and are passionate fans...its a good thing bro.

I've been around for a while and of course we are starving for success. Just because you want something doesn't mean you can snap your fingers and instantly get it. Doesn't work that way. It will take some time and hard work to get UT back to the top. You are welcome to keep a negative attitude if you wish. I don't think it's a fun or healthy way to live but it's your life and I probably shouldn't let it bother me if someone chooses to be that way. It's just nonsensical to me, questioning the coaching staff this early into their tenure, especially when we all should KNOW how limited the roster is.

 

[Sudden Impact]

The idea that every time a team fails it's because they weren't giving good effort is completely dumb.

I agree. For 2 weeks we got our backsides handed to us by more physical teams. I yet to hear anyone call out a player.

We were out played, brutalized, and out manned by both opponents. Get the team home a shot of moonshine and see what team shows up Saturday...

Any criticism can wait till the end of the season. This week to week roller coaster is non productive. It's not like CBJ and staff are going anywhere.

What some of us fail to recognize is that CBJ and Staff had to hit the reset button or reformat the hard drive without all the parts in place to do so.

 

[RollerVol]

The lack of effort that was evident in the Missouri game was indeed concerning, but I hope to see Butch Jones take control of this team and play with emotion and great pride the last 3 games. For the Vols to become bowl eligible they must play with much more discipline and desire to win. I hope this Vol squad doesn't fold the last 3 games, time will tell.

You do understand Butch can't suit up, right?
Unless you're in the locker room you don't have a clue what is happening and what Butch actually has done to bring this team this far.
GO VOLS!

 

[Memphisvol87]

I don't know how people live their lives in such a negative way. His FIRST SEASON isn't even over yet and people are whining and complaining, asking if the coach "has control of the team". Good grief why be so miserably negative every minute of your life??

I'm not negative, im simply telling you that tennessee is still held to a high standard and 6 wins, AT THIS POINT, should be easily attainable. I will never, and never did even with dooley, expect to lose like we did. So my point being the missouri and alabama efforts were lack luster, these players may not be on par with Bama but they sure as hell can do better than what I saw the last two games.

 

[Memphisvol87]

219 posts.smells like a troll to me.

199 likes on 221 posts now... i must be saying something right...

 

[utvolpj]

We get that, you fools said this about Dooley until the day he walked out of Knox with $5 million and went to Dallas.

that is completely wrong

 

[LaagerVol]

199 likes on 221 posts now... i must be saying something right...

No, just that there are a lot of pessimistic people in the FF. They like your comment because their cup is half empty also. And I hate to break it to you, but complaining about the teams performance at this point IS being negative. You can defend your logic, or lack there of, all you want, but it is a negative point of view, period.

 

[triad280]

There's a whole lot of truth to that. Been thinking the same thing. When adversity hits, they mentally just shut it down and become disengaged. What CBJ is trying to get through to them is like a foreign language.

Lets hope CBJ has a football and mental toughness edition of Rosetta Stone

 

[lilesrt]

That's an excuse. There is no excuse for not seeing maximum effort and improvement. Butch and his staff have to be accountable every single week, for leading the young men to have pride, give maximum effort, and show improvement as individuals and as a team. We certainly didn't see that the last two weeks.

Delusional. That's what you are. Lack of talent, depth, and speed are not excuses. They are facts. Until Coach Jones gets comparable talent to Knoxville, he cannot be judged adequately from a coaching standpoint. No coach, I don't care how good they are, would be able to be successful with our schedule and our roster. See Nick Saban's first year at Alabama as an example. He lost to UL Monroe in his rebuilding efforts.

 

[87Vol]

Delusional. That's what you are. Lack of talent, depth, and speed are not excuses. They are facts. Until Coach Jones gets comparable talent to Knoxville, he cannot be judged adequately from a coaching standpoint. No coach, I don't care how good they are, would be able to be successful with our schedule and our roster. See Nick Saban's first year at Alabama as an example. He lost to UL Monroe in his rebuilding efforts.

Those may be facts, but they are still no excuse for not giving maximum effort, playing more competively and showing improvement. Contrary to popular sunshine pumper belief, Butch can and should be judged NOW on whether or not he is getting this team to play up to its level of ability, however limited that talent and ability may be. Getting obliterated 31-3 by a team that was just beaten the week before by a SC team that we had already defeated, is NOT playing up to the level of current ability. That is the coach's chief responsibility, to get the maximum out of your players. While overall Butch is doing a commendable job with the program, he and his staff have failed the last 2 weeks with this team. No IF's, AND's, or BUT's about it.

 

[tennrich1]

The last three games will ONLY have an effect on this season and going to a bowl game or not....I know we try to read stuff into all this but its just not there....now if this were say the end of next season or maybe the next..yeah...you might have a point...but NO WAY the last three games tell us anything about CBJ and his "losing the team"....

 

[rlstone11]

We get that, you fools said this about Dooley until the day he walked out of Knox with $5 million and went to Dallas. The point is, show determination and effort and make a bowl game. Something even this dissaster of a roster should be able to do over Vandy and Kentucky. Keep it respectable with Auburn is all we ask.

Amen brother (except maybe the "you fools" part). Talent is there, just poorly coached for the previous 3 seasons. If we dont beat Candy and KY then we're in trouble and the rest is just excuses. My hope was this staff could coach the talent we do have to their potential. Miller was the #1 DL player out of SC and a 4* prospect and top 10 line prospect. J. Smith the same coming out of TN. We all know about the herald of shade tree out of JUCO. AJ was a legit 4* Brewer as well. The line were all heralded. Lane and Neal were heralded. Worley Gatorade player of the year we kept hearing. People act like Jones has an empty cubbard and I just disagree.

 

[LaagerVol]

Amen brother (except maybe the "you fools" part). Talent is there, just poorly coached for the previous 3 seasons. If we dont beat Candy and KY then we're in trouble and the rest is just excuses. My hope was this staff could coach the talent we do have to their potential. Miller was the #1 DL player out of SC and a 4* prospect and top 10 line prospect. J. Smith the same coming out of TN. We all know about the herald of shade tree out of JUCO. AJ was a legit 4* Brewer as well. The line were all heralded. Lane and Neal were heralded. Worley Gatorade player of the year we kept hearing. People act like Jones has an empty cubbard and I just disagree.

You pointed out a lot of kids that never realized their potential, or haven't yet. Does that make it coach Jones' fault? Or like many kids across the country, they just weren't as good as many thought coming out of highschool? Happens every year in recruiting. Besides that, defensive line isn't the biggest problem.

I will state this again. Started a true freshman QB, 2 true freshman and one RS freshman WR. Started a true freshman CB (who happens to be our best secondary player) and a former walk-on RB at nickle corner, against one of the best WR corps in college football. But you're saying talent isn't a problem??? Listen, we do have some talent in some spots (much of it in key positions is very young). We do NOT have a lot of talent in a lot of spots, almost zero depth. Talent and depth ACROSS THE BOARD is what makes a good football team. What is so hard to understand about that?

 

[oregonvol]

Lots of the same old excuses up in here. Would have thought some people would have learned after the Dooley years.

You know who played Missouri tougher than we did? Just about everyone. Toledo and Indiana certainly played them tougher. Those teams don't have more talent than we do. And it's not like Missouri is loaded with 4 and 5 star recruits either. They've got 2 stars and walk-ons playing too. They're making do with sub-par talent. And how much speed do you need to wrap up when you've got your arms around a guy? How much speed do you need to actually cover the guy you're supposed to cover and not just let him run into the endzone with no one within 20 yards of him, while we have 3 guys covering a single wideout on an underneath route? How is that a speed, toughness, or talent issue?

 

[oregonvol]

You pointed out a lot of kids that never realized their potential, or haven't yet. Does that make it coach Jones' fault? Or like many kids across the country, they just weren't as good as many thought coming out of highschool? Happens every year in recruiting. Besides that, defensive line isn't the biggest problem.

I will state this again. Started a true freshman QB, 2 true freshman and one RS freshman WR. Started a true freshman CB (who happens to be our best secondary player) and a former walk-on RB at nickle corner, against one of the best WR corps in college football. But you're saying talent isn't a problem??? Listen, we do have some talent in some spots (much of it in key positions is very young). We do NOT have a lot of talent in a lot of spots, almost zero depth. Talent and depth ACROSS THE BOARD is what makes a good football team. What is so hard to understand about that?

We're also starting a nearly all senior O-line and defensive front 7. How are they playing?

If you're waiting for us to have top talent and experience plus depth in every position in order to compete with the Missouris of the world, then I hate to break it to you, but it's not going to work out. No team outside of Alabama has the kind of depth and talent you folks seem to think Butch Jones needs to compete with teams like Missouri (who is playing mostly 3 star recruits).

 

[VolinDalton]

He has control of the team. He has coached them up. Saturday night we just saw the pure talent coming out. Example: Child learns to walk, child walks fine, child falls. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken $hit.

You could. But it wouldn't taste good.

 

[UTVolWarrior98]

Amen brother (except maybe the "you fools" part). Talent is there, just poorly coached for the previous 3 seasons. If we dont beat Candy and KY then we're in trouble and the rest is just excuses. My hope was this staff could coach the talent we do have to their potential. Miller was the #1 DL player out of SC and a 4* prospect and top 10 line prospect. J. Smith the same coming out of TN. We all know about the herald of shade tree out of JUCO. AJ was a legit 4* Brewer as well. The line were all heralded. Lane and Neal were heralded. Worley Gatorade player of the year we kept hearing. People act like Jones has an empty cubbard and I just disagree.

Thaaaaaaaaaaank youuuuuuuu!! Quit making excuses for them! Yes, Smith and Miller were both heralded 4* blue chip recruits. Randolph, Moore, Brewer, Coleman...all 4* recruits...so don't tell us we have no talent anymore!

 

[LaagerVol]

We're also starting a nearly all senior O-line and defensive front 7. How are they playing?

If you're waiting for us to have top talent and experience plus depth in every position in order to compete with the Missouris of the world, then I hate to break it to you, but it's not going to work out. No team outside of Alabama has the kind of depth and talent you folks seem to think Butch Jones needs to compete with teams like Missouri (who is playing mostly 3 star recruits).

So you're saying only alabama has all scholarship players in the 2 deep? lol that would be a good start. Just to not have to rely on walk-ons.

 

[GrowVol]

I didnt know CBJ didnt have control of the team.

 

[oregonvol]

So you're saying only alabama has all scholarship players in the 2 deep? lol that would be a good start. Just to not have to rely on walk-ons.

Are the walk-ons really what's hurting us? Are they the only ones out there missing tackles, blowing coverages, getting stupid penalties, etc? No? Then why would a greater depth of scholarship players make that big of a difference when the scholarship players (often 4 star recruits) are making the same dumb mistakes?

 

[rcvol]

I would like to see our corners play bump and run, man to man with a focus on sealing off the edges of the field. Make Auburn beat us down the middle of the field running or passing. I think we have better odds of preventing the big play by doing this. Every defensive player should make a move to force the ball carrier back to the middle of the field so that someone else can make a tackle. I would focus less on pressuring the qb in this game and more on keeping everything in front of us. Auburn will get their yards. The key will be making them work for them. Make them score with long sustained drives rather than big plays. If we do this we have a much better chance of getting turnovers and slowing the game down.

 

[RockyTopUT]

All of you Butch critics need to realize Saban went 6-6 his first year and one of those 6 losses was to UL Monroe. He later went on to win 3 national titles. Same thing with Pete Caroll. 6-6 his first year and went on to win a couple of national titles. Petrino had a losing record his first year and he took his Arkansas team to a BCS bowl. Also if we were to fire Butch we would lose most of our recruits.

 

[rcvol]

All of you Butch critics need to realize Saban went 6-6 his first year and one of those 6 losses was to UL Monroe. He later went on to win 3 national titles. Same thing with Pete Caroll. 6-6 his first year and went on to win a couple of national titles. Petrino had a losing record his first year and he took his Arkansas team to a BCS bowl. Also if we were to fire Butch we would lose most of our recruits.

Boom!!! That's all that needs to be said.

 

[CJBlaze]

Lots of the same old excuses up in here. Would have thought some people would have learned after the Dooley years.

You know who played Missouri tougher than we did? Just about everyone. Toledo and Indiana certainly played them tougher. Those teams don't have more talent than we do. And it's not like Missouri is loaded with 4 and 5 star recruits either. They've got 2 stars and walk-ons playing too. They're making do with sub-par talent. And how much speed do you need to wrap up when you've got your arms around a guy? How much speed do you need to actually cover the guy you're supposed to cover and not just let him run into the endzone with no one within 20 yards of him, while we have 3 guys covering a single wideout on an underneath route? How is that a speed, toughness, or talent issue?

Preach bro! Glad somebody gets it.I kinda set myself up for major disappointment after the SC game.Kinda thought we turned the corner and thought we had a chance against MO, Aub&Vandy.Now not very much. We'll get beat by Aub.Vandy's a toss up.Ky should be a definate win.Just being realistic.