Next 3 Games may determine if Jones has control of Team

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#102
roster said:
I have to respond twice to this guy. It is not nuclear science. Ok. It is football and a "greatly simplified defense" as well. It does not take "years" ok. Any of those guys who don't comprehend it now are not going to comprehend it next year or the year after that either.
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You have never played football, apparently. Playstation doesn't count.
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#103
We beat S Carolina, who beat Missouri. I can't explain it. But Auburn has played a relatively easy schedule, so there's that. Auburn will end up with 3 or 4 losses. They won't be a long term threat. They will beat us Saturday, but I like our long-term up-side more than theirs. Malzahn has a lot more talent to work with this year. But I'll take Butch. Malzahn can't recruit.
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VOLorNuttin said:
I don't think it has much to do with how much "control" he has. Winning against Mizzou and the rest would have shown that this team has turned the corner, and we could easily have closed out our recruiting class with a few other key targets we have left on the board and likely a BIG fish, like Adoree Jackson or Garrett (5*).

That loss probably cost us a chance to land either of those guys or flip a big one late before NSD. But, winning out from here on could still communicate that the program is definitely turning the corner. Losing to Auburn and beating the last 2 to barely make a bowl game makes this team barely distinguishable from the Dooley led teams.

So, yeah...they are critical. I don't think anyone expected Butch to turn the program around over night, but recruits, like most of us fans expected to see some marked improvement. 6-6 means CBJ and staff have to rely on their salesmanship rather than results.
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Recruits have enough sense to know that this team is in rebuilding mode and those that choose to come here have a chance to rebuild our institution. There are strong relationships amongst these recruits and those that choose to bounce due to a loss didn't really want to be here to begin with. We have a top five class and I haven't seen a recruit decommit based on the Bama or Mizzou loss unless you know something I don't.
 
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rlstone11 said:
Amen brother (except maybe the "you fools" part). Talent is there, just poorly coached for the previous 3 seasons. If we dont beat Candy and KY then we're in trouble and the rest is just excuses. My hope was this staff could coach the talent we do have to their potential. Miller was the #1 DL player out of SC and a 4* prospect and top 10 line prospect. J. Smith the same coming out of TN. We all know about the herald of shade tree out of JUCO. AJ was a legit 4* Brewer as well. The line were all heralded. Lane and Neal were heralded. Worley Gatorade player of the year we kept hearing. People act like Jones has an empty cubbard and I just disagree.
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You're talking about changing a culture and mindset that has been filled with losing and attitude from former players. Where has that happened over night in a football program? These players have been conditioned to lose. Butch is not making up the statement that you have to have a championship mentality every minute of the day. He's not making up players creating their own momentum. Fans just don't like to here that talk and think its an excuse to justify losing. Losing is and always has been a disease and it takes new recruits who haven't been corrupted by the older players that are conditioned.
 
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roster said:
Ok, now tell me why the Auburn coaching staff is doing so much better than ours this year.
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He recruited those most of those players into that system. He only left for one season. They had back to back top ten classes coming off a NC. That was coaching not players.
 
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roster said:
Ok, now tell me why the Auburn coaching staff is doing so much better than ours this year.
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only reason Malzahn has that job is because Chizik was stupid and tried to make a Malzahn offense into a pro style with the same players...Didn't work out very well...They hire Malzahn and he goes back to the old system with players already in place that were recruited for it...Top 10 ranking fairly quickly...they would've be top 20 last year if they didn't screw around and change the offense...
 
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To have control of this season- becoming bowl eligible- we have to win just 2 more games. And our best chances are with Vandy and KY. I really, really hope we can hang with Auburn but my gut tells me 42-3 slaughter. And what upsets me is this means that this Saturday's game only matters to the fans (aka, you and me)
 
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We did seem to have some idea about how to properly tackle earlier this year! I don't understand what has happened!
 
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rcvol said:
We beat S Carolina, who beat Missouri. I can't explain it. But Auburn has played a relatively easy schedule, so there's that. Auburn will end up with 3 or 4 losses. They won't be a long term threat. They will beat us Saturday, but I like our long-term up-side more than theirs. Malzahn has a lot more talent to work with this year. But I'll take Butch. Malzahn can't recruit.
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tsk tsk the Vols want win ?
 
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#115
I don't know how people live their lives in such a negative way. His FIRST SEASON isn't even over yet and people are whining and complaining, asking if the coach "has control of the team". Good grief why be so miserably negative every minute of your life??

Because they are miserably negative people.
 
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#117
I think part of the problem is that this group doesn't know how to handle success. We get a big win over USC and it's as if the whole team said "welp, that was the season right there fellas, let's take the rest of it off". Jones is trying to motivate these kids and I can tell by the quotes from practice he's seeing what I'm seeing, a group who got complacent. The question is can he get them re-focused, my money is on yes.
 
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oregonvol said:
We're also starting a nearly all senior O-line and defensive front 7. How are they playing?

If you're waiting for us to have top talent and experience plus depth in every position in order to compete with the Missouris of the world, then I hate to break it to you, but it's not going to work out. No team outside of Alabama has the kind of depth and talent you folks seem to think Butch Jones needs to compete with teams like Missouri (who is playing mostly 3 star recruits).
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Great reply. Must be Randy Sanders posting. He used to ***** that we couldnt win because of talent and the players when we had talent across the board. Well coached teams win with lesser talent. See Boise State, Utah State, etc, etc.
 
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oregonvol said:
Are the walk-ons really what's hurting us? Are they the only ones out there missing tackles, blowing coverages, getting stupid penalties, etc? No? Then why would a greater depth of scholarship players make that big of a difference when the scholarship players (often 4 star recruits) are making the same dumb mistakes?
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No walk ons blocking running and throwing. On defense I watched a walk on take a pick to the house in Gainesville, probably the best thing we did all day. The way this team played against Missouri I would like to see more walk ons and 2*s. <some sarcasm>

Coaching make a huge difference in college. No one should be hammered for holding Butch and Co accountable. while I am not for a coaching carousel I cant take another 3 years of Dooley part II either.
 
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NickZ4UT said:
I think part of the problem is that this group doesn't know how to handle success. We get a big win over USC and it's as if the whole team said "welp, that was the season right there fellas, let's take the rest of it off". Jones is trying to motivate these kids and I can tell by the quotes from practice he's seeing what I'm seeing, a group who got complacent. The question is can he get them re-focused, my money is on yes.
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A lot of truth in this. Plus Alabama and Missouri are both really good teams playing at home. I look for the fire yo be back in these guys on Saturday back in Neyland.
 
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darkgable said:
You're talking about changing a culture and mindset that has been filled with losing and attitude from former players. Where has that happened over night in a football program? These players have been conditioned to lose. Butch is not making up the statement that you have to have a championship mentality every minute of the day. He's not making up players creating their own momentum. Fans just don't like to here that talk and think its an excuse to justify losing. Losing is and always has been a disease and it takes new recruits who haven't been corrupted by the older players that are conditioned.
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Have you watched the Kansas City Chiefs play this year? How about thr 5-7 Missouri Tigers from last year? Or this year's Auburn team? I get what you're saying though.
 
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#125
the upperclassmen of this roster have been beat down for a couple yrs now. They learned to quit on their team from senior classes before them (not all of the seniors but some of them) due to the extreme dislike for DD. When the going gets tough, these guys have started to hang their heads alittle and it has showed the last two weeks.

The most fight Ive seen has been from the younger guys. The freshman class in particular shows great promise. Guys like North, Pig(I know hes a soph), Vereen, and Dobbs look like kids who want to get better, get actually playing better even during the last two weeks. They are becoming great leaders (by example) even at their young age.

Jones will have to rid the roster of the quitters....he will and replace with tough minded kids.

I never liked Vince Dooley but it pales in comparison to my dislike for the little smartass kid of his! Talk about getting somewhere soley on your last name
 
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