NIL Retention

[mrmax86]

In my opinion, retaining a player who was either going to transfer, graduate and leave school, or was perhaps going to consider the NFL, is as important, if not more important than landing a big recruit or transfer. There is currently no way to track this in with the other metrics (recruiting rankings, transfer rankings). This thread is intended to be a discussion of only this. There seems to be a lot of despair in the fanbase about us not having good rankings or striking out with recruits.

Our recruiting rank is pretty dang good anyways, but if you factor in keeping so many big pieces that we didn't expect to keep, and I hear there are more to come, the Vols are setting up for a bright future.

My opinion is Heupel knows what levers to pull for success, and is willing to do whatever, even if it does not get him headlines or "stars".

 

[mrmax86]

Is anyone in the industry tracking this?

I assume it would be hard to determine who was going to leave but stayed (re-committed, IMO).

 

[mrmax86]

I would think that the only way you could measure this is total roster strength. When a player transfers they’re currently given a new transfer ranking. To make it work for this situation, every player would have to have their rating re-scored after every season. Tall order.

It isn’t good enough, though, to base roster strength off of a players initial recruiting or transfer ranking from years ago in most cases.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Is anyone in the industry tracking this?

I assume it would be hard to determine who was going to leave but stayed (re-committed, IMO).

A good measurement would be to find metrics that rank the rosters going into each season as opposed to eyeballing the process in the off-season. What most people are doing are judging the cake before it's baked, while only hearing rumors and innuendo about the recipe and cooking process.

ETA: Bam! Great minds and all...

I would think that the only way you could measure this is total roster strength. When a player transfers they’re currently given a new transfer ranking. To make it work for this situation, every player would have to have their rating re-scored after every season. Tall order.

It isn’t good enough, though, to base roster strength off of a players initial recruiting or transfer ranking from years ago in most cases.

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

We should put balloon payments on NIL deals so that they go up every year they are on the team! I think that would help lock in retention just as they are reaching their peak performance.

 

[Orange_Crush]

We should put balloon payments on NIL deals so that they go up every year they are on the team! I think that would help lock in retention just as they are reaching their peak performance.

The thing about contracts in a free market is that they have to be competitive with competing contracts in the market. Not sure that structure would compete well.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

In my opinion, retaining a player who was either going to transfer, graduate and leave school, or was perhaps going to consider the NFL, is as important, if not more important than landing a big recruit or transfer. There is currently no way to track this in with the other metrics (recruiting rankings, transfer rankings). This thread is intended to be a discussion of only this. There seems to be a lot of despair in the fanbase about us not having good rankings or striking out with recruits.

Our recruiting rank is pretty dang good anyways, but if you factor in keeping so many big pieces that we didn't expect to keep, and I hear there are more to come, the Vols are setting up for a bright future.

My opinion is Heupel knows what levers to pull for success, and is willing to do whatever, even if it does not get him headlines or "stars".

AND IGNORES ALL THE SMARTER PEOPLE ON FAN DISCUSSION FORUMS!

 

[Adam Sandler]

In my opinion, retaining a player who was either going to transfer, graduate and leave school, or was perhaps going to consider the NFL, is as important, if not more important than landing a big recruit or transfer. There is currently no way to track this in with the other metrics (recruiting rankings, transfer rankings). This thread is intended to be a discussion of only this. There seems to be a lot of despair in the fanbase about us not having good rankings or striking out with recruits.

Our recruiting rank is pretty dang good anyways, but if you factor in keeping so many big pieces that we didn't expect to keep, and I hear there are more to come, the Vols are setting up for a bright future.

My opinion is Heupel knows what levers to pull for success, and is willing to do whatever, even if it does not get him headlines or "stars".

Good take. For the ones that were starters, this seems especially true. Hopefully all the retained players can make strides in their development. At the least, not having to learn our systems gives them and us an advantage on building upon previous success.

 

[Adam Sandler]

We should put balloon payments on NIL deals so that they go up every year they are on the team! I think that would help lock in retention just as they are reaching their peak performance.

Not a bad idea for the non starters. Starters will want the money now. Just like nfl stars want guaranteed money.

 

[Adam Sandler]

I would think that the only way you could measure this is total roster strength. When a player transfers they’re currently given a new transfer ranking. To make it work for this situation, every player would have to have their rating re-scored after every season. Tall order.

It isn’t good enough, though, to base roster strength off of a players initial recruiting or transfer ranking from years ago in most cases.

PFF ratings? Then you just want recruiting services and PFF to be as similar as possible in the way they evaluate.

 

[Vol8188]

Is anyone in the industry tracking this?

I assume it would be hard to determine who was going to leave but stayed (re-committed, IMO).

Your best measure would be the overall team composite ratings that 247 releases before the start of each season

 

[BruisedOrange]

I'm not at all dissing the purpose of this thread, but in terms of the utility of such a metric...
a key injury or two could make the numbers meaningless.

Consider the loss to our defense of Pili early in this past season, and then followed by Hadden and A.Carter.

Another thought: Retention could certainly say a lot about the health and desirability of a program.
But, getting players ready early for a successful NFL career could also bolster the appeal of the program by accentuating our staff's ability to help players achieve their dreams.

The challenge there is how to maintain enough senior leadership and "culture enforcers" to avoid becoming the equivalent of Kentucky basketball.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I'm not at all dissing the purpose of this thread, but in terms of the utility of such a metric...
a key injury or two could make the numbers meaningless.

Consider the loss to our defense of Pili early in this past season, and then followed by Hadden and A.Carter.

Another thought: Retention could certainly say a lot about the health and desirability of a program.
But, getting players ready early for a successful NFL career could also bolster the appeal of the program by accentuating our staff's ability to help players achieve their dreams.

The challenge there is how to maintain enough senior leadership and "culture enforcers" to avoid becoming the equivalent of Kentucky basketball.

That's why you measure roster and not the recruiting process. The roster will give an idea of depth.

 

[Carp]

All I know is, if Spraggins returns then we return basically our entire starting OL. Which is an amazing benefit for Nico as a first time starter. When everyone was healthy, we had a really good OL this past season. If the Tate Rutledge rumors are true, we could have the best OL in the country.

 

[mrmax86]

That's why you measure roster and not the recruiting process. The roster will give an idea of depth.

Yeah but that’s also kinda the point. There’s always another level. But we gotta find some way to measure that next season will be as good/better than this one. Sick of seeing all the naysayers.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Wonder what kind of pretzel you’d have to twist yourself into to come up with a metric that says returning a bunch of fifth and sixth year guys from an 8-4 roster moves the needle much.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Yeah but that’s also kinda the point. There’s always another level. But we gotta find some way to measure that next season will be as good/better than this one. Sick of seeing all the naysayers.

No matter what you do, you'll have the naysayers. There are just a lot of that type of negative personality type, as well as attention-whore concern trolls. You'll never get rid of that. Get used to it or be prepared to be as miserable as they're trying to make you.

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

Wonder what kind of pretzel you’d have to twist yourself into to come up with a metric that says returning a bunch of fifth and sixth year guys from an 8-4 roster moves the needle much.

Well, at least we're cleaning house in the secondary!

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Wonder what kind of pretzel you’d have to twist yourself into to come up with a metric that says returning a bunch of fifth and sixth year guys from an 8-4 roster moves the needle much.

Don't have to alter reality at all to see the value of having experience back in the OL for our NEW QB1. Hope the Sprag guy comes back too. Don't have to be AA types to eliminate the risk of the learning curve of some greenies in the early games. Love to add BRU back to throw to as well, even with a couple of great looking new WR types heading this way. BUT... I still SPECULATE we have kept our war chest tight to the vest till the retention efforts are done, and will target some post bowl game early window targets, or even hold tight for some May window targets at some positions where fall camp would be enough to get on the field. Hopefully the overspending banks will be depleted and we can get a better bang for the buck by not getting involved in these early high profile battles. Bet there is some networking by players involving potential late entries to the portal. Might be able to incentivize some if the war chest is still there. Not going to stress over of any portal grades till day1 of fall camp at the earliest.

 

[landscapingvol]

We should put balloon payments on NIL deals so that they go up every year they are on the team! I think that would help lock in retention just as they are reaching their peak performance.

I think many people are under the false impression that thousands of wealthy businesses and donors are just itching to throw millions of dollars sponsoring players that bring in little to no extra revenue for them. Nearly 100% of all fans couldn’t name a single player’s endorsement which is an issue, this model is unsustainable

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

I think many people are under the false impression that thousands of wealthy businesses and donors are just itching to throw millions of dollars sponsoring players that bring in little to no extra revenue for them. Nearly 100% of all fans couldn’t name a single player’s endorsement which is an issue, this model is unsustainable

Need a bail bonds endorsement.

What if some player conjures up a "draft kings" endorsement, that would be scary!