NIL vs WNBA money and extras

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Smallvol#1 said:
If this is a dupe, please delete. I found it interesting. Rickea may have made a very smart decision.

Report Paints Bleak Picture For Top Women’s College Basketball Players Heading To WNBA
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I've been thinking this for some time, especially in the wake of NIL, and I don't think it's either a mystery or a surprise. The reality is that the money and exposure of college athletics, and the investment of college donors and fans, far outstrips the WNBA's resources. And while some continue to bash the schools for not sharing this or giving that, the reality is that almost eveything the schools make in profit is reinvested into the system, through facilities, marketing, treatment, and support staff (and also scholarhips for other sports). Once upon a time, it was frowned up to think of playing players, so the schools competed the only way they could - building lavish support systems and beyond first class experiences for their student-athletes. (This also spilled over into coaching salaries, but even coaches are, at a fundamental level, just another benefit schools obtain to improve their team's odds of success).

Nutritional needs? Totally covered, and far better than average students. Tutoring and scholarship? You'll get every sort of help the school can afford under the sun. Place to live? You'll get that too. College education? Free of charge. The schools don't hoard any of that cash away, they take it in, turn around, and spend it on the sports programs.

Now you take all those things, and add the ability to get even some money through NIL? Even if it's only a small amount per month? You're probably far, far ahead of whatever the WNBA can afford. And that's not going to change, I don't think.
 
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Voltopia said:
I've been thinking this for some time, especially in the wake of NIL, and I don't think it's either a mystery or a surprise. The reality is that the money and exposure of college athletics, and the investment of college donors and fans, far outstrips the WNBA's resources. And while some continue to bash the schools for not sharing this or giving that, the reality is that almost eveything the schools make in profit is reinvested into the system, through facilities, marketing, treatment, and support staff (and also scholarhips for other sports). Once upon a time, it was frowned up to think of playing players, so the schools competed the only way they could - building lavish support systems and beyond first class experiences for their student-athletes. (This also spilled over into coaching salaries, but even coaches are, at a fundamental level, just another benefit schools obtain to improve their team's odds of success).

Nutritional needs? Totally covered, and far better than average students. Tutoring and scholarship? You'll get every sort of help the school can afford under the sun. Place to live? You'll get that too. College education? Free of charge. The schools don't hoard any of that cash away, they take it in, turn around, and spend it on the sports programs.

Now you take all those things, and add the ability to get even some money through NIL? Even if it's only a small amount per month? You're probably far, far ahead of whatever the WNBA can afford. And that's not going to change, I don't think.
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Starting salaries for WNBA first rounders will around $72, 000. I am guessing that Rickea's deal with Celsius and Mercedes may well top that. I would be shocked if she is living in a dorm so she probably is picking up some living expenses.

Travel is one of the big complaints from WNBA players but I think they do get trainers, nutritionist etc.
 
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WNBA isn’t the only source, more supplemental for the better players who also play overseas.
 
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madtownvol said:
Starting salaries for WNBA first rounders will around $72, 000. I am guessing that Rickea's deal with Celsius and Mercedes may well top that. I would be shocked if she is living in a dorm so she probably is picking up some living expenses.

Travel is one of the big complaints from WNBA players but I think they do get trainers, nutritionist etc.
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Is that all geesh the 12th man on a NBA team blows that money out of water,I assume professional tennis is only sport that comes close to equal money for men and women
 
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This season the salaries for WNBA players range from $62.285 to $234.936. The WNBA as a league recieves around 25 million dollars a year from ESPN. The NBA subsidizes the WNBA every year to the tune of 15 million dollars, which is the third increase since original amount of 10 million dollars. The league itself makes around 20 million dollars through ticket sales and merchandise. So the league makes around 60 million dollars a year, but as business the WNBA has operated at a deficit since its inception. Morever the players get 25% of total league revenue, but if your operating at a deficit, 25% of zero is still zero. This is why players go overseas, and pursue endorsement deals. If your a Rickea Jackson, Tamari Key, or Paige Bueckers, why wouldn't you come back, injury not withstanding. The financial upside for high level players with super large brands is becoming increasing larger than what the WNBA can offer financially coming straight out of college. NCAA WBB is a better product than the WNBA at present, and the fanbase is far more loyal and appreciative of the overall game.
 
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Sadly it is a fact of life, the top ten women basketball players are better off staying in college for another year instead of going to the WNBA. With A good NIL deal, a chance to get an advanced degree and have a lot of their personal expenses paid for by their university outweighs a $75,000 a year salary, especially if you go to a team located in a city with a high cost of living. If I am their agent I am seeking lucrative NIL deals, getting them a 3 million dollar, or more, injury insurance policy and telling them to stay in college and use up all of their eligibility. There are some rare exceptions like Skyler Diggins who received a multi million dollar contract with NIKE, upon graduation from Notre Dame.
 
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#1LVLS MAN 4 LIFE said:
This season the salaries for WNBA players range from $62.285 to $234.936. The WNBA as a league recieves around 25 million dollars a year from ESPN. The NBA subsidizes the WNBA every year to the tune of 15 million dollars, which is the third increase since original amount of 10 million dollars. The league itself makes around 20 million dollars through ticket sales and merchandise. So the league makes around 60 million dollars a year, but as business the WNBA has operated at a deficit since its inception. Morever the players get 25% of total league revenue, but if your operating at a deficit, 25% of zero is still zero. This is why players go overseas, and pursue endorsement deals. If your a Rickea Jackson, Tamari Key, or Paige Bueckers, why wouldn't you come back, injury not withstanding. The financial upside for high level players with super large brands is becoming increasing larger than what the WNBA can offer financially coming straight out of college. NCAA WBB is a better product than the WNBA at present, and the fanbase is far more loyal and appreciative of the overall game.
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If u are a big time WNBA player u will get endorsements anyway.
 
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One of the big drawbacks for the WNBA is a lot of women and men do not support the league through attendance and the purchase of merchandise. I know of women basketball coaches who know very little about anything above the high school game. I also know a women assistant AD who had little interest in women’s college and pro sports. I know this does not include everyone but it’s a travesty that women’s sports are more respected and supported in foreign countries than in the United States.
 
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madtownvol said:
Starting salaries for WNBA first rounders will around $72, 000. I am guessing that Rickea's deal with Celsius and Mercedes may well top that. I would be shocked if she is living in a dorm so she probably is picking up some living expenses. Travel is one of the big complaints from WNBA players but I think they do get trainers, nutritionist etc.
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The gymnast from LSU makes about six mill a year in social media and endorsements. The twins from Miami are also making seven figures. There are a host of college athletes making in excess of $1 million.

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Is that all geesh the 12th man on a NBA team blows that money out of water,I assume professional tennis is only sport that comes close to equal money for men and women
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Remember, the NBA makes about 2 to 4 BILLION per year, while the WNBA has lost 10 million a year for the past 20 years. If they were not supplemented by the NBA they would’ve been out of business long ago. There cannot be equal pay until the WNBA is profitable. It’s all economics.

I have a friend who played pro ball in Europe after college and she told me she has never watched a woman’s basketball game in her life, other than her own.
 
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37620VOL said:
But right now, more average Americans know the names Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese than they do last year's W MVP. I think an NCAA star could easily make as much or more than a W star.
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March Madness had an impact on that with weeks of constant coverage. WNBA season doesn’t create that opportunity.
 
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knoxvol52 said:
Is that all geesh the 12th man on a NBA team blows that money out of water,I assume professional tennis is only sport that comes close to equal money for men and women
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Pay equality is not relevant here because they are two separate sports leagues. One of them just happens to be subsidized by the other. The same is also true for women's tennis outside of a handful of tournaments a year, and women's tennis has long proven that they can attract comparable viewership and interest as the men's league. If WNBA wants to get more money, they have to generate their own revenue the way that the Women's Tennis Association has proven they can do. The WTA created a product that is appealing to a wide demographic and the WNBA is still a niche sport with limited interest. They can't complain about low salaries until they become more universally appealing.
 
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Sadly, sexism and homophobia (and, yes, outright misogyny) will always be major factors in why the WNBA is unlikely to ever grow its audience much bigger than it is now.
 
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lvocd said:
Sadly, sexism and homophobia (and, yes, outright misogyny) will always be major factors in why the WNBA is unlikely to ever grow its audience much bigger than it is now.
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I don’t know about that, I don’t see many women supporting the WNBA, if more women supported I think it would be more successful. Even women that don’t like sports will go to a nba game.
 
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lvocd said:
Sadly, sexism and homophobia (and, yes, outright misogyny) will always be major factors in why the WNBA is unlikely to ever grow its audience much bigger than it is now.
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Respectfully, I disagree with regards to the WNBA being held back by sexism/misogyny. I've given women's tennis as an example of a sport where the women are just as popular as the men. Then you have gymnastics and figure skating where the women are MORE popular then the men. Why is that?
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I don’t know about that, I don’t see many women supporting the WNBA, if more women supported I think it would be more successful. Even women that don’t like sports will go to a nba game.
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BINGO! Because women support women's tennis, gymnastics and figure skating, but they don't support the WNBA in the same numbers. If you approached 100 women in LA and offered them either tickets to the Sparks or the Lakers, I'd wager that at least 3/4 (probably a lot more) would take the Lakers tickets.

The WNBA doesn't need male fans to make them successful. Women made the Kardashians into multi-millionaires, but they largely have no interest in doing the same for the WNBA. As long as the WNBA insists they are victims of "sexism!" "misogny!" "-isms!" then they will never be successful on their own because they have no idea how to grow their fanbase.

As far as homophobia, it's more complicated than that. Players like Becky Hammon, Breanna Steward, Candace Parker or Sue Bird aren't a turnoff because they are lesbians, but the reality is that more butch players aren't going to be as appealing to the majority of fans for several reasons. For me, they need to stop inviting comparisons to the men because it will just put under a spotlight that they are a less exciting (to most people) adaptation without the crazy athletic feats and dunks.
 
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Amb3096 said:
Respectfully, I disagree with regards to the WNBA being held back by sexism/misogyny. I've given women's tennis as an example of a sport where the women are just as popular as the men. Then you have gymnastics and figure skating where the women are MORE popular then the men. Why is that?


BINGO! Because women support women's tennis, gymnastics and figure skating, but they don't support the WNBA in the same numbers. If you approached 100 women in LA and offered them either tickets to the Sparks or the Lakers, I'd wager that at least 3/4 (probably a lot more) would take the Lakers tickets.

The WNBA doesn't need male fans to make them successful. Women made the Kardashians into multi-millionaires, but they largely have no interest in doing the same for the WNBA. As long as the WNBA insists they are victims of "sexism!" "misogny!" "-isms!" then they will never be successful on their own because they have no idea how to grow their fanbase.

As far as homophobia, it's more complicated than that. Players like Becky Hammon, Breanna Steward, Candace Parker or Sue Bird aren't a turnoff because they are lesbians, but the reality is that more butch players aren't going to be as appealing to the majority of fans for several reasons. For me, they need to stop inviting comparisons to the men because it will just put under a spotlight that they are a less exciting (to most people) adaptation without the crazy athletic feats and dunks.
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All those players you mentioned didn't come into the WNBA openly as lesbians. Many of them I wonder how they would've been perceived if they came into the WNBA as lesbians.
 
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