No Empty Promises to recruits

#2
#2
Sounds great if true. God only knows how much confusion and outright lies are in these pieces.

But, one of the problems with guaranteeing early PT is baked into the reasons WHY coaches do it. If the mindset of a player is choosing some sort of entitlement over EARNING that position and right, then that's a problem. Sure, 5*s are better than 4*s (statistically of course), but how could recruiting services include "character" in their rankings? Not just thug vs saint character. But, "I'm willing to work and sacrifice" vs "I want something given to me" character. I'd take one over the other every day of the week and twice on Sunday if I were building something.
 
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Sounds great if true. God only knows how much confusion and outright lies are in these pieces.

But, one of the problems with guaranteeing early PT is baked into the reasons WHY coaches do it. If the mindset of a player is choosing some sort of entitlement over EARNING that position and right, then that's a problem. Sure, 5*s are better than 4*s (statistically of course), but how could recruiting services include "character" in their rankings? Not just thug vs saint character. But, "I'm willing to work and sacrifice" vs "I want something given to me" character. I'd take one over the other every day of the week and twice on Sunday if I were building something.

Guys who work for it usually play harder because they still feel they have to prove themselves
 
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#5
Sounds great if true. God only knows how much confusion and outright lies are in these pieces.

But, one of the problems with guaranteeing early PT is baked into the reasons WHY coaches do it. If the mindset of a player is choosing some sort of entitlement over EARNING that position and right, then that's a problem. Sure, 5*s are better than 4*s (statistically of course), but how could recruiting services include "character" in their rankings? Not just thug vs saint character. But, "I'm willing to work and sacrifice" vs "I want something given to me" character. I'd take one over the other every day of the week and twice on Sunday if I were building something.
Yes. Helps weed out the #me players and land the #team players
 
#6
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Yes. Helps weed out the #me players and land the #team players

My mind instantly goes back to Bryce Brown and that recruiting fiasco. I've been nervous since the day he signed, hoping that the Boy Wonder and the Ogre didn't hand over a suitcase full of cash to him and his uncle. Every year that passes, I feel better than nothing comes out.
But, that mentality not only causes the best to come out in a player. It also causes rifts among teammates. Remember when Tauren Poole told Kiffin to shove it at the end of a game and refused to go in and play during scrub time? Don't know the specifics, but my experience tells me that Bryce Brown promises caused that rift.

Montario had NO business being a "co-starter" w BB. But that's what CLK called him. He was head and shoulders better than the FR. And Poole had a very productive year the next season with Doolittle. The reality was that Poole who had far more work put in to earn that truly "2nd string" on the depth chart. Second string RB means you're counted on heavily to win games. 3rd string means you basically get scrub time and wait for an injury to get on the field. Poole was probably better than BB in pass protections, running, receiving, and the playbook. BB obviously had better upside, but probably not as a true FR w a month of fall camp, dorm move in and class schedules (& Lacy Pearl).

I wasn't there, so I can't be for certain. But, it appeared Kiffin made a lot of promises to BB and his "agent". I hope we never find out about any other benefits. We saw him transfer immediately which indicates "loss of entitlement". We saw obvious locker room dissension.

What it all boils down to me is ... had BB went elsewhere to get guarantees, that team would have probably been better with a dedicated 3* RB 2nd on the depth chart.
 
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My mind instantly goes back to Bryce Brown and that recruiting fiasco. I've been nervous since the day he signed, hoping that the Boy Wonder and the Ogre didn't hand over a suitcase full of cash to him and his uncle. Every year that passes, I feel better than nothing comes out.
But, that mentality not only causes the best to come out in a player. It also causes rifts among teammates. Remember when Tauren Poole told Kiffin to shove it at the end of a game and refused to go in and play during scrub time? Don't know the specifics, but my experience tells me that Bryce Brown promises caused that rift.

Montario had NO business being a "co-starter" w BB. But that's what CLK called him. He was head and shoulders better than the FR. And Poole had a very productive year the next season with Doolittle. The reality was that Poole who had far more work put in to earn that truly "2nd string" on the depth chart. Second string RB means you're counted on heavily to win games. 3rd string means you basically get scrub time and wait for an injury to get on the field. Poole was probably better than BB in pass protections, running, receiving, and the playbook. BB obviously had better upside, but probably not as a true FR w a month of fall camp, dorm move in and class schedules (& Lacy Pearl).

I wasn't there, so I can't be for certain. But, it appeared Kiffin made a lot of promises to BB and his "agent". I hope we never find out about any other benefits. We saw him transfer immediately which indicates "loss of entitlement". We saw obvious locker room dissension.

What it all boils down to me is ... had BB went elsewhere to get guarantees, that team would have probably been better with a dedicated 3* RB 2nd on the depth chart.
All very good points. I cringe when I think of the things Kiffin might have done.
 
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LOL.
I must have been thinking about this one

Being old and trying to type on a tablet while watching a 16 month old grandson isn't conducive to good spell checking. Right know he is sitting on my lap and wants me to read him a book. Should be easy because it's a sticker book. Even I may be able to manage that. lol
 

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I would've been okay promising Cadillac Williams a starting spot if it meant him keeping his commitment.
 
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I don't see anything wrong with promising early playing time, generally speaking, it depends.

An example, I know Myles Brennan's dad asked for the cookie monster's word that Myles would get playing time his freshman year in meaningful situations. They (his dad and him) wanted to evaluate whether Myles could compete in the SEC and whether LSU was a good long-term fit. The cookie monster had him in the first half against Bama at Bama. I saw nothing wrong with it, I can kind of understand as well... why ride the bench somewhere 3-4 years only to find out you really can't play in the league.

Now promising starting spots...ehhhh probably not a great idea.
 
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If you're an elite program, it is much harder to promise early playing time anyways as you have a handful of upperclassmen recruits that are rated as high or higher than you.

Bituli had 160 tackles, 17 TFL, 6 sacks, 3 forced fumbles and 4 fumble recoveries last season, but if you commit to us: I will make you a starter over him! Trust me!
 
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Recruits talk to each other a lot. The fake coaches' lies will catch up with them in a hurry. CBJ is a perfect example of that. Not only did recruits sour on him but the team that he was coaching lost all faith in him as well. The fact that he has players buying in is a big deal. It will take longer to build up the talent but it will be something that lasts.
 
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Thats all well and good but I still feel like we are more behind the 8 ball in recruiting that we should be, due to having some coach's on staff not pulling their weight. There is no excuse for losing a recruit like Jay Hardy. None.
 
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Thats all well and good but I still feel like we are more behind the 8 ball in recruiting that we should be, due to having some coach's on staff not pulling their weight. There is no excuse for losing a recruit like Jay Hardy. None.

Given his and apparently his families behavior, I think it's fair to say they're dishonest and it's also fair to question their character. Maybe, just maybe, UT wasn't prepared to make promises and/or pay them? Hey, he might turn out to be the next Tracy Rocker but it's also possible we look back on this one and realize we dodged a bullet by not having him in our locker room.
 
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Given his and apparently his families behavior, I think it's fair to say they're dishonest and it's also fair to question their character. Maybe, just maybe, UT wasn't prepared to make promises and/or pay them? Hey, he might turn out to be the next Tracy Rocker but it's also possible we look back on this one and realize we dodged a bullet by not having him in our locker room.
I second this motion. The kid just acts weird. His whole recruitment was weird. He wanted and desired it to be weird and apparently his family helped him pull an expert F you troll on Tennessee because apparently they’re still salty. So I’m in the camp of we dodged a potential locker room issue with him. The culture is turning around here and I fully believe if we even had the opportunity to pick up Evans, we need to take it. The kid could use role models like Trey and Jarrett. Plus Pruitt has already shown us that he’s not above getting up in your grill but also can do it in such a way that it garners respect & his players love him.
 
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Thats all well and good but I still feel like we are more behind the 8 ball in recruiting that we should be, due to having some coach's on staff not pulling their weight. There is no excuse for losing a recruit like Jay Hardy. None.

not enough money?...:D

GO BIG ORANGE!
 
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I've found that recruiting is about building relationships. I know that sounds obvious but in most cases that's were the success is found. For the families and recruits who do their due diligence with programs and coaches when all is said and done the relationship will rule the day. Of course there will be exceptions to this rule but the healthy programs will rise or fall on this basic truth. IMO Jeremy's evaluation skills along with his relationships are his strongest qualities. I'm prepared to stay for the long haul and see how this thing turns out. As far as the kid from Chattanooga, that was probably the exception and we may be better off in the long run IMO.
 

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