No More "Injuns"

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INDIANAPOLIS -- The NCAA banned the use of American Indian mascots by sports teams during its postseason tournaments, but will not prohibit them otherwise.

The NCAA's executive committee decided this week the organization did not have the authority to bar Indian mascots by individual schools, committee chairman Walter Harrison said Friday.

Nicknames or mascots deemed "hostile or abusive" would not be allowed by teams on their uniforms or other clothing beginning with any NCAA tournament after Feb. 1, said Harrison, the University of Hartford's president.

"What each institution decides to do is really its own business" outside NCAA championship events, he said.

Guidelines were not immediately available on which logos and nicknames would be considered "hostile or abusive."

The NCAA two years ago recommended that schools determine for themselves whether the Indian depictions were offensive.

Among the schools to change nicknames in recent years over such concerns were St. John's (from Redmen to Red Storm) and Marquette (from Warriors to Golden Eagles).

The NCAA plans to ban schools using Indian nicknames from hosting postseason events. Harrison said schools with such mascots that have already been selected as tournament sites would be asked to cover any offensive logos.

Such logos also would be prohibited at postseason games on cheerleader and band uniforms starting in 2008.

AP NEWS
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This thing has been totally blown out of proportion. Its a nickname. Its not dissrespecting you. STFU. Im with VOLracerx..."Can you say retarded"?
 
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Why not let those that might be offended (American Indians) actually claim that they are offended before assuming they would be.

It drives me nuts when PC people try to cleanse the world of anything that might offend somebody, somewhere.

In the words of Dennis Leary - "Life sucks, wear a helmet"
 
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Maybe if school history books actually showed and teachers taught the real story behind the Native Americans. Then having a school mascot named after them would be honorable.

I've got your Manifest Destiny and plague.
 
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Originally posted by volinbham@Aug 5, 2005 12:41 PM
Why not let those that might be offended (American Indians) actually claim that they are offended before assuming they would be.
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Because there's none left, and the ones that are still around don't get TV on their reservations. Good Leary quote, though.
 
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I have some Cherokee indian blood (Not much, but enough...) and I just do not see what the problem is with using indian nicknames...if it said the University of X stupid loser indians I would understand...but a nickname is supposed to be an honor...

To me, it connotes effort and strength and determination to compete and to be recognized and to hold forth...I do not see where the negative connotation comes into this thing...

By the way, I personally think this PC crap is one of the worst things to come along in the history of this glorious nation...I detest it, for the most part...

Discrimination, etc. is totally wrong and should never be condoned...but the PC crowd wants to fight a spark with 500 firetrucks. Not for me...
 
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Originally posted by surrealvol@Aug 5, 2005 9:28 PM
I have some Cherokee indian blood (Not much, but enough...) and I just do not see what the problem is with using indian nicknames...if it said the University of X stupid loser indians I would understand...but a nickname is supposed to be an honor...

To me, it connotes effort and strength and determination to compete and to be recognized and to hold forth...I do not see where the negative connotation comes into this thing...

By the way, I personally think this PC crap is one of the worst things to come along in the history of this glorious nation...I detest it, for the most part...

Discrimination, etc. is totally wrong and should never be condoned...but the PC crowd wants to fight a spark with 500 firetrucks.  Not for me...
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Totally dude. It's not like they're fighting against schools with pornstar mascots, or pedophile mascots, or something OBVIOUSLY offensive. These dip****s just want it there way.

Has anyone every seen political correctedness from this point of view:

When you think about it, it's really a movement to purge words and phrases and names of any real definition. It's like a campaign against proper nouns. It's so idiotic it's sad, and hysterical.
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Aug 5, 2005 9:19 PM
Because there's none left, and the ones that are still around don't get TV on their reservations. Good Leary quote, though.
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milo, hun, I hate to bust your bubble, but Native Americans DO get television reception on the reservation. Otherwise why would they have
Native Amerincan Public Telecommunications??



http://www.nativetelecom.org/flatwater/
 
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Political correctness started as a way of censoring politicians' speech so as not to offend anybody and lose a vote. It has become ridiculous and since I am not a politician, I don't usually worry about it. If I say something offensive and someone tels me I did, I have no problem apologizing.
 
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Well . . you can begin by apologizing to all Indians everywhere for misspelling Native American. :lol:
 
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I heard today that the Seminole Indians actually like having their name associated with FSU. So I am really confused, I mean if they came right out and said they didn't want to be associated with such a classless program then maybe I could understand. :eek:lol: :freak:
 
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Originally posted by LadyinOrange@Aug 5, 2005 8:25 PM
milo, hun, I hate to bust your bubble, but Native Americans DO get television reception on the reservation. Otherwise why would they have
Native Amerincan Public Telecommunications??
http://www.nativetelecom.org/flatwater/
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I'm just joking, LIO.

This whole situation is ridiculous though.
 
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What a sad world. I wonder who will get offended next? I guess I am not too worried for the Delta State Fighting Okra.
 
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Originally posted by VolFantotheBone@Aug 5, 2005 10:35 PM
What a sad world.  I wonder who will get offended next? I guess I am not too worried for the Delta State Fighting Okra.
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:dlol: :dlol: :dlol:




Whooooo, I needed that good laugh!
 
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Maybe the Red Cross, United Way and Salvation Army will band together to try and prevent us from using the name Volunteers.
 
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Originally posted by vol_freak@Aug 5, 2005 10:32 PM
I heard today that the Seminole Indians actually like having their name associated with FSU. So I am really confused, I mean if they came right out and said they didn't want to be associated with such a classless program then maybe I could understand.  :eek:lol:  :freak:
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Beside the point dude. These NCAA sanctions are not rooted in reality, nor do they care for it.

Sorry fellas. This has me riled up something fierce.
 
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You arent alone.......How many military Vets are upset over the Tn Volunteers?

I remember well at 17 years old, signing my contract on a Volunteer basis. Lets hope the lions, tigers, wildcats, bears, roosters, Dogs, and turkeys of the nation dont go looking for a law suit. My 2 siamese get wind of this and im out a boat load of tuna. Then explain i lied, your momma didnt really meet smokey 8 in a hotel room after the Fiesta bowl. Thats about how serious and dumb this is.......
 
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Originally posted by IBleedOrange24/7@Aug 6, 2005 2:31 AM
Lets hope the lions, tigers, wildcats, bears, roosters, Dogs, and turkeys of the nation dont go looking for a law suit.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the aclu isn't already working on a suit on their behalf :D
 
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81 percent of respondents (Native Americans) indicated that use of American Indian names, symbols, and mascots, to them, are predominantly offensive and deeply disparaging





"Injuns today, The entire animal species tomarrow?"

"You arent alone.......How many military Vets are upset over the Tn Volunteers?"

Wow, your intelligence just spews from you gaping mouth. Obviously you know little about the Native American history or who Europeans called at one time Americans. Your choice of the word "injuns" shows your only knowledge about the topic comes from a minimal Eurocentrist point of view. Honestly, comparing vets and Native Americans is a sick joke.

You could add savages, uncivilized, and unamerican if you wanted to. Then you can dress up like one on Columbus day.

Weren't battles fought in Texas because the idea of having slavery extended out west seem like a great idea?


Your right about the Seminoles. FSU sought and obtained permission to use the name and authentic ceremony and chants used during a FSU home game. I doubt the Seminoles care about the chop. The Seminoles are an actual tribe unlike the name "redskin" or injun". The Seminoles take strong pride in who they are. Native Americans from many different eastern tribes ( a lot of them runaway slaves) make up the Seminole Indians along with runaway african americans and white men who fell in love with and married a Native American woman or who you would call an Injun woman. The couple would live with the tribe because of the rampant discrimination that existed against Native Americans. Plus a lot of white people did join Native American tribes because of their peaceful and democratic nature. Where do you think Locke got some of his ideas? Eventually men like Franklin helped write the constitution that gives you the right to have free speech. A constitiution that was influenced by the Native American nations. I mean wow, democracy was just flowing and thriving in Europe at the time? Try 100's of year of killing, brutality, and oppression. Anyways the Seminoles became a Nation that was never conquered, they have a lot of pride. In the 1800's when the European-Americans had no more need for the Native American they began to call them savages and other names to justify their ensuing actions. Extermination. The same thing Columbus did before he committed one of the biggest genocides in the history of man. Eventually the new Americans tried to Americanize Native Americans. The only problem was they never gave them a chance because of the racism that existed. Instead they justified this racism by saying the Native American didn't want to become American. This idea makes Native Americans uncivilized people. But they were nations with music, language, culture, tradition, and democratic governments. The definition of a civilization. Now who were the civilized people? And we want to limit these people to a mascot. I don't see any problem with schools changing their names. Especially if 81% of the Native Americans who responded to a poll taken are in favor of it. This is not the PC police. This is getting your facts straight and your American history from a wide spectrum instead of a Eurocentrist point of view.
 
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I do think this is all blown out of proportion BUT I also think using "Injuns" in the title was a little disrespectful. Maybe if we treated them with alittle more respect using the word "Seminole" or "Indian" wouldnt be such an issue!!!!! That is the problem. We treated them so badly that they think its an insult. JMHO!!!!
 
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Here is your challenge.

For example

the words braves and redskin are deragatory words with a negative meaning. The Native American movement or civil rights movement for Native Americans has never taken hold unlike the civil rights movement for African Americans. Ni..er and redskin are the same word describing two different people. Why do I have a problem with spelling out ni..er and not redskin? Is calling african americans ni..ers just a stunt by the ACLU or the PC or is it down right offensive to them.

So here is your challenge. Put on a shirt that says ****** on the front of the shirt and wear it for the day to the mall, the grocery store, and your little kids baseball game. Then drive yourself into a segregated black community and go to the local park and play a pick-up basketball game.
 
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"Indian" isn't even correct if you want to get right down to it. My great-grandmother was a full-blooded Cherokee who married a white man. I have never felt like people were disrespecting her or me by using titles like Braves, Redskins or the lot, but I guess it's all about how they and other minorities are portrayed by the images and names.

:dunno:
 
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