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JustaChicken
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is it possible that Yo is coming to Tennessee and Hillsman is her replacement?
I'd actually be more than just okay with that.
I have long admired Coach Yo's passion and dedication to doing things the right way, and so feel we'd be in good hands if she were next tapoed to carry the torch for Tennessee. Based on how she has projected the last few years, I know she would deeply understand and appreciate the otherworldly opportunity to continue her own personal growth if given the opportunity, so I'm obviously interested to see if this was a real possibility or just another guess.
I'd actually be more than just okay with that.
I have long admired Coach Yo's passion and dedication to doing things the right way, and so feel we'd be in good hands if she were next tapoed to carry the torch for Tennessee. Based on how she has projected the last few years, I know she would deeply understand and appreciate the otherworldly opportunity to continue her own personal growth if given the opportunity, so I'm obviously interested to see if this was a real possibility or just another guess.
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Looking at Angel Reese I can’t help but wonder if we see changes to NIL that add clauses for performance in the classroom and graduation.
I do not mind NIL at all, let these kids get a bag if they can. Whatever, not hurting me. I’ve changed my tune on this the last few years as it’s become inevitable.
What IS hurting me is seeing schools pump people out into the world clearly not ready to be a mature, working adult.
Angel Reese is a couple injuries away from not having anything to show for her education. Have a hard time believing she will have enough credits to graduate based on her GPA.
If I’m shelling out big donor dollars to these young men and women I would expect that they compete and perform both on the court and in the classroom. Should be required to maintain at least a 2.5 (you must have a 2.0 or higher to graduate in most cases).
Curious what others think? Probably not a popular opinion, but I’m one of those people who still believes education really matters. So many of these kids, even the top women’s players, will eventually be using their degree rather than their basketball skills. Just want to see them successful and productive as adults.
I do not mind NIL at all, let these kids get a bag if they can. Whatever, not hurting me. I’ve changed my tune on this the last few years as it’s become inevitable.
What IS hurting me is seeing schools pump people out into the world clearly not ready to be a mature, working adult.
Angel Reese is a couple injuries away from not having anything to show for her education. Have a hard time believing she will have enough credits to graduate based on her GPA.
If I’m shelling out big donor dollars to these young men and women I would expect that they compete and perform both on the court and in the classroom. Should be required to maintain at least a 2.5 (you must have a 2.0 or higher to graduate in most cases).
Curious what others think? Probably not a popular opinion, but I’m one of those people who still believes education really matters. So many of these kids, even the top women’s players, will eventually be using their degree rather than their basketball skills. Just want to see them successful and productive as adults.
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I will start by caveating my opinion by declaring my bias as an educator. But I completely agree there should be some emphasis on education and preparation for the “real world” even if that program is only teaching our most successful athletes how to invest their NIL profits such that they aren’t bankrupt in a few years. I’ve been famously impressed by Armando Bacot earning a masters in finance and asking for equity in companies as part of his NIL deals; he may have been smart enough (and successful enough) to be financially set for quite a bit. This is likely even more important for many female athletes who, even if they are able to go pro, will likely recieve lower salaries than their male peers.
Having said that, I am also a massive proponent of a liberal arts education. While I’m not creative in the least, I took art and music history courses which, imo, made me a more well-rounded individual and, at the least, forced me to grapple with material outside of my wheelhouse. These are good experiences for developing brains. Many of my fav athletes in college now are those like Ashley Rogers who excelled on the field and pursued a path that would let her become a doctor or Ally Zazarra of the soccer team who is a mechanical engineering major. Juggling athletics at a school like UT and rigorous academics is inspiring!
tldr: yes, I fully support and endorse academic requirements for NIL deals.
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Doubt it actually.
All the ruling did is make it legal for them to earn monies based off of their NIL.
There is nothing that prevents donors from earmarking funds based on performance and metrics. They CAN earn money off their NIL they are NOT entitled to it. Big difference.
This isn’t going to continue to be some big huge, weird free for all. It’s evolving all the time and being refined.
The ruling opened Pandora’s box, it didn’t organize it.
Do we know for certain that she didn't graduate though?
I actually think that Angel did a lot of things off court that ultimately helped her more than a degree would, even it is in short term only. She got some valuable, real world lessons in building her brand. And let's face it, with the money she's made the last few years in NIL (and probably at least for the next 2-3 years), that's way more than she would have gotten over the next 10-15 years as a working stiff with a bachelor's degree.
At most institutions of higher education you are required to have at least a 2.0 to graduate. She may have improved beyond that since her GPA was put on Twitter last fall.
Having spent a lot of time in higher Ed and education, if you have a 1.7 GPA it is highly unlikely she has enough quality credits to earn a degree.
Yes, she made a good deal of money of endorsements and deals. That isn’t going to last her though. Do you see what happens to these guys who fizzle in the NFL? There are entire documentaries about and some of those dudes go from making $15-20 million to broke in a matter of months to years. They have an entourage of people spending their money, no financial education or guidance and little quality education. To me that’s a failure that you can have someone set up like that and have them end up broke on the street a few years after their career.
She has shown no sign she is responsible or mature, as I said, she’s an injury or two away from not knowing what her next move is. Money runs fast when you’re spending it and not earning it. A degree is forever, a sports career has a shelf life.
BUT. Angel was just my example, not my point.
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I will say Angel seemingly has a good network of mentors with pro experience. She’s talked about both Candace and Shaq advising her. Angel has also been open about her modeling aspirations, which tracks with the Vogue announcement. She may be savvier than she is booksmart, and I hope for her sake she is. I think her going to the W alone suggests she has someone smart in her ear.
Guess we should ask FJ's Mom about Angel's academic progress. Seriously though, congrats to her if she did graduate amidst all the other things that went on the last year. I totally agree Angel learned a ton of life lessons the last year, some in a very profitable way and some in a very painful way. I'll say one more time, that path would have been so much better for her if only she had some mature guidance, NOT Shaq, to help her.
I'd say she's about to learn some serious on court lessons in the WNBA, and good for her she seems to be going in very humble. Don't see her dancing and licking fingers in the face of Jonquil Jones. It will be fun to see Angel become the Rebounding Rodman of the WNBA.
If she were getting good advisement they would be telling her to work with a speech coach and an etiquette coach so she might have a chance at a broadcasting career.
She has herself so gassed up it’s weird. She is not a pretty woman at all. Lots of beautiful black women playing ball, sorry she ain’t one.
Now Kiki Iriafen? That is a naturally beautiful woman. Aliyah Moore from Texas is another who is absolutely stunning, beautiful heart-shaped face and stunning complexion.
The lesson other student athletes, such as the NFL players you cited, can learn from someone like Angel is the hustle mentality. She had to work for her NIL and not just get handed a hefty salary. There's a certain amount of hustle mentality that's needed, and Angel has demonstrated that she has it.
My personal opinion for degrees for college student athletes is many of them are overrated. Their focus is on the field, not the classroom, so the degrees aren't necessarily achieved with a plan for how to use them. That's why you don't see many that pursue STEM degrees. However, the connections they make will be thing that carries their career past the playing court once their career is over, and being savvy enough to work those connections will be what leads to career longevity, not a college degree.
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I sincerely doubt that most NIL investors could care less whether the athletes ever attend a single class or can write anything beyond signing a contract.
They don't want a scandal or social cancellation backlash, but academic rankings don't sell products. Does anyone think advertisers care about the intellectual process of any other entertainers?
They don't want a scandal or social cancellation backlash, but academic rankings don't sell products. Does anyone think advertisers care about the intellectual process of any other entertainers?
We will agree to disagree. My degree will make me more in my lifetime than Angel will make in her 3-5 years of fame here.
If she’s relevant in 6 years I would be shocked. She’s not good enough on the court to maintain a high media profile without drumming up a bunch of BS with her taunting and antics. Which I don’t actually mind, but did find sort of odd when she was basically crying the other night about how mean everyone has been to her the last year.
Like girl, did you watch your tape back? Because you are NOT nice, that’s just the world treating you how you treat it.
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I think the way she speaks and her etiquette is part of her brand as a Black woman from Baltimore. It’s seemingly more “real” and less reflective of what academic partners think is marketable, which is an entire side conversation. fwiw, I agree that she could have pursued that, but I think it’s really phenomenal that women’s sports (and social media plays a large role in this) have expanded such that people can try to forge unique paths towards whatever financial success looks like for them.
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