Not sold on Butch nor Dobbs

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rlstone11 said:
Talent on opposing team is our excuse?
Rivals recruiting
2010- UT = #9 class Mizz = #21
2011- UT = #13 class Mizz = #48
2012- UT = #17 class Mizz = #31
2013- UT = #21 class Mizz = #41

Sure some talent leaves early, and others don't pan out but that's every SEC team. We should be beating Big 12 mid tier and bottom feeding teams and not using talent gap as an argument.
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lost some?

lol, go back and look at that 2010 class, we have lost most of it. while we still have alot of the 2011 class alot do not contribute.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I have never heard a player say that a deciding factor in his decision was positive or negative chatter on a message board. "I chose Tennessee because even though they suck on the field, their fans are always positive and understanding on their message boards"
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Fair enough. :hi:
 
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alwaysvol said:
lost some?

lol, go back and look at that 2010 class, we have lost most of it. while we still have alot of the 2011 class alot do not contribute.
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Most of Dooley's good recruits already left. Remember, we have to correct 3 years worth of bad coaching. It's why bowl practice are vital.
 
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PimpVol said:
Missouri is mid tier? Thought they were top 10. Negavols got it going on today!!!!
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Yeah historically Mizzou was a Big 12 powerhouse, right?I did the research and from 2006-2011 prior to joining the SEC they're average finish was 4th so admittedly a little better than mid-tier. None-the-less when Mizzou joined the SEC East I am sure you were saying "Great, another top rated team to come in a Bizch slap us year after year.
I am not sure why I am negative because I refuse to beleive that Mizzou has some huge talent gap that excuses 31-3 losses. Coaching does matter and last night we didnt have any. Contrarily, Mizzou coached a team with less than top #25 talent to an 8-1 record. Thats pretty impressive.
 
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#356
Soooooo.......who do we get a commitment from today?
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rlstone11 said:
Yeah historically Mizzou was a Big 12 powerhouse, right?I did the research and from 2006-2011 prior to joining the SEC they're average finish was 4th so admittedly a little better than mid-tier. None-the-less when Mizzou joined the SEC East I am sure you were saying "Great, another top rated team to come in a Bizch slap us year after year.
I am not sure why I am negative because I refuse to beleive that Mizzou has some huge talent gap that excuses 31-3 losses. Coaching does matter and last night we didnt have any. Contrarily, Mizzou coached a team with less than top #25 talent to an 8-1 record. Thats pretty impressive.
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If Gary Pinkel were the head coach at the University of Tennessee I can guaran-damn-tee you he wouldn't be 8-1.
 
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LotteryPick said:
So we should be better than Oregon too, right? We've had better recruiting classes.
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Who said anything about Oregon? I simply rebutted that we are outclassed by this Mystical Missouri talent. This board was booming all over the place about a lot of the players wearing orange last night.

I gotta hand it to another poster though about 3 years of bad coaching. Clearly Pinkel instilling 3 years of good coaching and consistency in scheme is likely more the reason for winning than "talent" as is the case with Oregon.

This board is interesting to read. You can never argue recruiting and win. Those commenting negatively about my recruiting analysis are the same saying we are back using guess what? ...our recruiting for 2014!
 
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volpreacher said:
I think Coach Jones is the man for the job. The only problem I have with him is the fact he preaches to play for 60 minutes, yet he doesn't use his time outs and calls three straight running plays at the end. Let Dobbs keep firing and build some confidence and gain experience. Fight for 60 minutes.
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We were down by 28 with a minute left. What happens to CBJ when Dobbs drops back and gets hurt? You know. He would get roasted. It's one thing to fight for 60 minutes; it's another to be stupid and fight in a 28 point game with a minute left.
 
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JVol76 said:
If Gary Pinkel were the head coach at the University of Tennessee I can guaran-damn-tee you he wouldn't be 8-1.
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Given the same circumstances no argument there. Coming in after Kitten and Doofus is an uphill battle. However, I think we have talent and our coaching has let them down. And yes that includes this year. I'll give it time. We have no choice. Butch better be the man or our program is in for a longer drought than most are ready to admit.
 
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crunchimusmaximus said:
Dobbs has some talent, but no touch on his deep throws and an inabillity to get it into the endzone.....I am just not seeing the it factor that people have talked about...Bray looked better against SC as a true freshman and you could immediately see his supreme talent and it factor....I'm just not seeing it with Dobbs. 3 points even as a true freshman and with wr drops ain't looking too promising...he resembles worely as a true freshman agsint SC...more so than a future stud....I am eager to see if Riley is any better...

As for Butch....the team has quit on him...oline has regressed ....defense is still awful...is.it really surprising considering what janckeck did at uga? That might as well been a Dooley team out there tonight...
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Bray showed more promise than Dobbs as a true freshman? You have to be kidding me. Sure, maybe immediately he came out firing and looked good, but we all saw how the rest of his time at Tennessee went. It is also good to know that we have fans that base their entire opinion of a team and individual players on one game. This post is laughable. Keep up the good work :lolabove:
 
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Some people are oblivious to the fact that it takes years and players to learn a system a coach wants to implement, especially the spread. Pinkel's players know their system like the back of their hands. Good grief. Heads up, next week is going to be bad, too. Our defensive line was whipped all game, and Auburn feeds off running the ball.
 
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crunchimusmaximus said:
Dobbs has some talent, but no touch on his deep throws and an inabillity to get it into the endzone.....I am just not seeing the it factor that people have talked about...Bray looked better against SC as a true freshman and you could immediately see his supreme talent and it factor....I'm just not seeing it with Dobbs. 3 points even as a true freshman and with wr drops ain't looking too promising...he resembles worely as a true freshman agsint SC...more so than a future stud....I am eager to see if Riley is any better...

As for Butch....the team has quit on him...oline has regressed ....defense is still awful...is.it really surprising considering what janckeck did at uga? That might as well been a Dooley team out there tonight...
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bUTch told all of us that Dobbs & Fergy were not ready to play.... Very few people wanted to believe him though.

Now, can we all agree that he was correct in that Dobbs is not ready to play????
 
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rlstone11 said:
Who said anything about Oregon? I simply rebutted that we are outclassed by this Mystical Missouri talent. This board was booming all over the place about a lot of the players wearing orange last night.

I gotta hand it to another poster though about 3 years of bad coaching. Clearly Pinkel instilling 3 years of good coaching and consistency in scheme is likely more the reason for winning than "talent" as is the case with Oregon.

This board is interesting to read. You can never argue recruiting and win. Those commenting negatively about my recruiting analysis are the same saying we are back using guess what? ...our recruiting for 2014!
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The problem with the recruiting argument is either they are not there any longer or they are having to change the way they play and overcome that idiot Derek Dooley's "coaching". I think given time CBJ will do well when his system is installed and the type of players needed to run that system are there, until then we are going to have to suffer through some tough times. If they can get to 6 wins and a bowl game then personally I'll consider this season a success.
 
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rlstone11 said:
Given the same circumstances no argument there. Coming in after Kitten and Doofus is an uphill battle. However, I think we have talent and our coaching has let them down. And yes that includes this year. I'll give it time. We have no choice. Butch better be the man or our program is in for a longer drought than most are ready to admit.
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You have to understand where the talent is. I said this at the beginning if the year. Our experienced talent is in both of the lines. The OL has underperformed. But we don't have experienced talent at the skilled positions (other than maybe Neal but he is not a top SEC back). Just throwing out recruiting numbers and evaluating talent is not enough to determine if a team can compete against seven top 15 teams. We have inexperience at QB, WR, TE, CB, and a lack of talent at safety. That is a recipe for many losses on our schedule. People just don't think this stuff through- they prefer making emotional comments.
 
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toddapatterson said:
Bray showed more promise than Dobbs as a true freshman? You have to be kidding me. Sure, maybe immediately he came out firing and looked good, but we all saw how the rest of his time at Tennessee went. It is also good to know that we have fans that base their entire opinion of a team and individual players on one game. This post is laughable. Keep up the good work :lolabove:
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Bray DID look good in his last four games, but we played literally four of the worst pass D's in the country. Let's not forget his very first drive against USC resulted in a pick 6.

That he was able to feast on the likes of Ole Miss, Memphis, UK and the pre-Franklin Vandy the rest of the season inflated his stats.

Even with all that, Bray did look a bit sharper than Dobbs, but I guarantee you Dobbs could have carved up the 2011 version of any of those teams above.

For all that they give up yards, Missour's pass efficiency D was rated 41st in the country coming into this game, which is above average. Dobbs was a true frosh on the road against an above average SEC D.

He did better than Peterman at least! :)
 
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You can't pin this loss on Dobbs, you can't put the ball in a true freshman quarterback's hands when nothing is going right and expect him to go out and win the game. If anything he was one of the few bright spots last night.
 
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VolFanInHawaii said:
You can't pin this loss on Dobbs, you can't put the ball in a true freshman quarterback's hands when nothing is going right and expect him to go out and win the game. If anything he was one of the few bright spots last night.
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We got our arses handed to us last night. Dobbs was not the reason. Dobbs has the potential to be very good here.
 
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volfanbill said:
He also threw two gimme interceptions that were dropped, a lost fumble and was wildly inaccurate all game long, even when he had time in the pocket. 240 yards after 42 passes kinda negates 240 yards. He looked good on short routes, but had little touch other than that. There's a lot wrong with this team, but Dobbs looked far from good last night
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I seen Vince Young do that, but his was against NFL level talent. If Dobb's has the same struggles next week, I hope they burn Ferguson's red shirt so they can see if he has any talent or not.

The team needs a major commit from a good QB in the upcoming recruiting class so the rebuilding process can really get started. And whether Butch likes it or not, he is probably going to have to find better coordinators. Better he does it now, then wait to the critical third season where everyone will then be calling for head.
 
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loservol said:
I seen Vince Young do that, but his was against NFL level talent. If Dobb's has the same struggles next week, I hope they burn Ferguson's red shirt so they can see if he has any talent or not.

The team needs a major commit from a good QB in the upcoming recruiting class so the rebuilding process can really get started. And whether Butch likes it or not, he is probably going to have to find better coordinators. Better he does it now, then wait to the critical third season where everyone will then be calling for head.
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I hope that by reading what you've posted it won't lower my IQ any. Dobbs has started one freakin' game against a top 10 team and Jones hasn't even coached a full season against arguably the toughest schedule in the nation and you are calling for people to be fired.Where in the hell do you people come from?
 
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Nobody hates losing more than me. Having said that, I apparently must remind some people that UT did not get into the shape we are in overnight and we could not get back to where we should be overnight.

Butch Jones is the answer. There is not a coach anywhere in the country I had rather have. He is doing it right, and we will see the results.

We can help by being positive and encouraging, or we can make a tough job even harder by going crazy like many have done after this game. Dobbs made mistakes, but the potential for greatness is there.

Butch shoots straight, and players love playing for him. I only hope all the great recruits we have committed can realize that n overwhelming majority of our fans are on board, and only a few nuts are making all the noise.

We will be back! Butch will get it done! We have a choice - either get on board and do whatever we can to encourage our players, coaches, recruits, and our fans, or we can do stupid and try to tear it all down.

Simply put - we can be Vol fans and be supportive, or we can support other teams by destroying our Vols.

I choose to be All Vol!
 
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To the OP.
Fans like you don't deserve the success that Butch Jones is going to bless this program with.
 
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