Not the greatest hire

[therealUT]

But, nowhere near as bad as Dooley. Jones has at least proven that he can succeed as a head coach; whether that means he can succeed as a head coach in the SEC and at UT is certainly a question, but that is a question of any candidate.

I think that Jones's track record (1 losing season in 6 years as HC, 5 seasons of 8 wins or more, four conference titles, etc., etc.) gives him a grace period; whereas, Dooley's track record proved nothing and should not have given him a grace period.

I am not optimistic about the hire, but I am content to let it play out.

 

[bleedorange0037]

But, nowhere near as bad as Dooley. Jones has at least proven that he can succeed as a head coach; whether that means he can succeed as a head coach in the SEC and at UT is certainly a question, but that is a question of any candidate.

I think that Jones's track record (1 losing season in 6 years as HC, 5 seasons of 8 wins or more, four conference titles, etc., etc.) gives him a grace period; whereas, Dooley's track record proved nothing and should not have given him a grace period.

I am not optimistic about the hire, but I am content to let it play out.

He's proven he can succeed as a HC as long as Brian Kelly lays all the groundwork for him. He's never proven he can start from nothing, which is essentially what he'll be doing here, and build a winner. Also, Dooley flat out schooled him when they met head to head.

 

[Ten_Titans]

If you like being mediocre to bad, Butch Jones is a great hire

 

[therealUT]

He's proven he can succeed as a HC as long as Brian Kelly lays all the groundwork for him. He's never proven he can start from nothing, which is essentially what he'll be doing here, and build a winner. Also, Dooley flat out schooled him when they met head to head.

Wait, so are you saying that Brian Kelly can only succeed as a head coach so long as Weiss and Dantonio lay the groundwork for him?

 

[95 Vol Alum]

But, nowhere near as bad as Dooley. Jones has at least proven that he can succeed as a head coach; whether that means he can succeed as a head coach in the SEC and at UT is certainly a question, but that is a question of any candidate.

I think that Jones's track record (1 losing season in 6 years as HC, 5 seasons of 8 wins or more, four conference titles, etc., etc.) gives him a grace period; whereas, Dooley's track record proved nothing and should not have given him a grace period.

I am not optimistic about the hire, but I am content to let it play out.

Our money situation gives him a grace period.

 

[bleedorange0037]

Wait, so are you saying that Brian Kelly can only succeed as a head coach so long as Weiss and Dantonio lay the groundwork for him?

No. The team Kelly took over at Cincy was decent. He took them to a BCS level. The team he took over at ND was 6-6, he built them in to a NC contender. Both CM and Cincy teams that Jones took over were already pretty good, and he managed to keep them there, neither team got better under him.

 

[ibvolman]

Wait, so are you saying that Brian Kelly can only succeed as a head coach so long as Weiss and Dantonio lay the groundwork for him?

I don't think that is even close to what he was saying. Kelly was very successful before going to ND. He built Cincy up from nothing, and then ND hired him to replace Weiss. He took a declining ND team, and in 3 years they are undefeated, and playing for the title. Kelly is a proven team building, winning coach.

The jury is still out on Jones. He may turn out to be a good coach that can build this program back up. That said, I'm not jumping up out of my chair over this hire. I honestly think we could have done better.

Does anyone know if Butch Davis was even contacted about the job?

 

[ChattanoogaVols]

It won't surprise me at all if Cincy goes and hires a better head coach.

 

[BandVOL]

I have looked for te financials that went into this deal and I don't see a breakdown or details
Am I missing it?

ONCE AGAIN......called by UT looking for me to revaulate my giving to the University last night
What did they think I would do? OH Boy we hired a new coach and I had to Bing him and Google him......
Great...just great and I can tell you alot of the boosters were on the phone last night and not many of us were happy campers

Ummm.....No thanks
We'll send our check the last week of December
Amount=TBD

 

[therealUT]

I don't think that is even close to what he was saying. Kelly was very successful before going to ND. He built Cincy up from nothing, and then ND hired him to replace Weiss. He took a declining ND team, and in 3 years they are undefeated, and playing for the title. Kelly is a proven team building, winning coach.

The jury is still out on Jones. He may turn out to be a good coach that can build this program back up. That said, I'm not jumping up out of my chair over this hire. I honestly think we could have done better.

Does anyone know if Butch Davis was even contacted about the job?

1. Cincy was not nothing before Kelly. Cincy was an 8 win team when Kelly took them over.

2. Aside from Golsen, every major contributor on the ND depth chart is a Weiss recruit. That front seven would be incredible no matter who was coaching it. The o-line is being coached by CHH, the same guy that UT fans derided as clueless when he was coaching UT's o-line. That o-line is incredibly talented; that talent was recruited by Weiss.

Kelly is a good coach because he is able to take good players and make them perform to their potential. Jones took Kelly's players at Cincy and CMU and had them play up to their potential.

As I said, the Jones hire is not the best hire (it is the title of the thread I started); however, it is not even close to being analogous to the Dooley hire (or even the Kiffin hire). Jones has a record of putting teams on the field that successfully perform. Dooley did not have such a record.

There are questions as to whether Jones can recruit. They are valid questions. If Jones does not win eight games in year two, then kick him to the curb. But, I think there are reasons to believe that it is plausible that he will win eight games by year two.