NYT Editorial Fiasco

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The NYT's publishing of Obama's editorial regarding Iraq and his visit there stands in stark contrast to their alleged denial to publish McCain's rebuttal submitted at the end of last week.

DRUDGE REPORT FLASH 2008®

I understand that the source is dubious to many on the left, but Shipley, a Clinton crony, actually defended his decision to Drudge. Had he remained mum, I might doubt the story, but isn't it about time that we stop pretending that the NYT, and newspapers in general, are a news source rather than the political mouthpiece they have become?

TennNC, why don't you explain why they would do this if it's hurting them financially?

I know this was mentioned in another thread, but since the story has fleshed out a bit more, I thought it was worthy of its own thread.
 
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it's really pathetic, no wonder the time is losing money. typical liberals, all about diverse opinions until it disagrees with their agenda.
 
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Is this the same NYT that ran a front page story implying that McCain had an affair with a lobbyist and also made legislative choices to favor that lobby group? Were all of the claims unsubstantiated and third hand? Yes and yes.
 
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The NYT's publishing of Obama's editorial regarding Iraq and his visit there stands in stark contrast to their alleged denial to publish McCain's rebuttal submitted at the end of last week.

DRUDGE REPORT FLASH 2008®

I understand that the source is dubious to many on the left, but Shipley, a Clinton crony, actually defended his decision to Drudge. Had he remained mum, I might doubt the story, but isn't it about time that we stop pretending that the NYT, and newspapers in general, are a news source rather than the political mouthpiece they have become?

TennNC, why don't you explain why they would do this if it's hurting them financially?

I know this was mentioned in another thread, but since the story has fleshed out a bit more, I thought it was worthy of its own thread.

It's flat out wrong to deny McCain's response. I realize a newspaper is responsible for it's content, but not printing a response from a Presidential candidate because it did not "mirror" Obama's layout is ridiculous.

If you want to stop the liberal bias in the media, then the conservative papers need to get better circulation. The NYT is pitted against the NY Sun, the Washington Post against the Washington Times, The Boston Globe against the Herald. We can blame the media all we want -- but blaming and complaining does nothing. If the demand for a more conservative (or unbiased) paper is there, it should succeed.

I tend to think there is also the large issue that Rupert Murdoch controls far too much of the media content (I can't remember his percentage ownership of total media, but it is staggering). I'm more liberal than conservative, but Murdoch is borderline monopolistic and too much control in one man's hands is dangerous -- regardless of whether or not you agree with him. I'm not saying he directly influences the content (too much for one man to handle) but I think it's safe to say his influence over his companies and their direction is felt and mimicked.
 
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I agree that the Times made a huge mistake here. Format issues are minor under the circumstances and, having given Obama space, they needed to give McCain the same amount of space just in simple fairness.

Had the NYT editorial board felt that McCain's response was insufficient or didn't really meet what Obama was saying, then they could have just done their own little editorial on the side saying so, or saying why they preferred Obama's position. That would have been more appropriate. But telling McCain even just how to write up his response was wrong.
 
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It's flat out wrong to deny McCain's response. I realize a newspaper is responsible for it's content, but not printing a response from a Presidential candidate because it did not "mirror" Obama's layout is ridiculous.

If you want to stop the liberal bias in the media, then the conservative papers need to get better circulation. The NYT is pitted against the NY Sun, the Washington Post against the Washington Times, The Boston Globe against the Herald. We can blame the media all we want -- but blaming and complaining does nothing. If the demand for a more conservative (or unbiased) paper is there, it should succeed.

I tend to think there is also the large issue that Rupert Murdoch controls far too much of the media content (I can't remember his percentage ownership of total media, but it is staggering). I'm more liberal than conservative, but Murdoch is borderline monopolistic and too much control in one man's hands is dangerous -- regardless of whether or not you agree with him. I'm not saying he directly influences the content (too much for one man to handle) but I think it's safe to say his influence over his companies and their direction is felt and mimicked.

I wanted to clarify before someone responded -- I realize Murdoch is conservative -- the comment wasn't slanted one way or the other. Simply that maybe the news shouldn't be controlled by conglomerates that tend to have a similar view.
 
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I wanted to clarify before someone responded -- I realize Murdoch is conservative -- the comment wasn't slanted one way or the other. Simply that maybe the news shouldn't be controlled by conglomerates that tend to have a similar view.

:yes:...I mean :no:...I mean :dunno:
 
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I agree that the Times made a huge mistake here. Format issues are minor under the circumstances and, having given Obama space, they needed to give McCain the same amount of space just in simple fairness.

Had the NYT editorial board felt that McCain's response was insufficient or didn't really meet what Obama was saying, then they could have just done their own little editorial on the side saying so, or saying why they preferred Obama's position. That would have been more appropriate. But telling McCain even just how to write up his response was wrong.
Not to mention that his response was well written, and sensible. The stated claim that they won't print McCain's because it doesn't "mirror" Obama's is such a farce.
 
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McCain's editorial in its full form from the drudge link listed above...

In January 2007, when General David Petraeus took command in Iraq, he called the situation “hard” but not “hopeless.” Today, 18 months later, violence has fallen by up to 80% to the lowest levels in four years, and Sunni and Shiite terrorists are reeling from a string of defeats. The situation now is full of hope, but considerable hard work remains to consolidate our fragile gains.

Progress has been due primarily to an increase in the number of troops and a change in their strategy. I was an early advocate of the surge at a time when it had few supporters in Washington. Senator Barack Obama was an equally vocal opponent. "I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there,” he said on January 10, 2007. “In fact, I think it will do the reverse."

Now Senator Obama has been forced to acknowledge that “our troops have performed brilliantly in lowering the level of violence.” But he still denies that any political progress has resulted.

Perhaps he is unaware that the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad has recently certified that, as one news article put it, “Iraq has met all but three of 18 original benchmarks set by Congress last year to measure security, political and economic progress.” Even more heartening has been progress that’s not measured by the benchmarks. More than 90,000 Iraqis, many of them Sunnis who once fought against the government, have signed up as Sons of Iraq to fight against the terrorists. Nor do they measure Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki’s new-found willingness to crack down on Shiite extremists in Basra and Sadr City—actions that have done much to dispel suspicions of sectarianism.

The success of the surge has not changed Senator Obama’s determination to pull out all of our combat troops. All that has changed is his rationale. In a New York Times op-ed and a speech this week, he offered his “plan for Iraq” in advance of his first “fact finding” trip to that country in more than three years. It consisted of the same old proposal to pull all of our troops out within 16 months. In 2007 he wanted to withdraw because he thought the war was lost. If we had taken his advice, it would have been. Now he wants to withdraw because he thinks Iraqis no longer need our assistance.

To make this point, he mangles the evidence. He makes it sound as if Prime Minister Maliki has endorsed the Obama timetable, when all he has said is that he would like a plan for the eventual withdrawal of U.S. troops at some unspecified point in the future.

Senator Obama is also misleading on the Iraqi military's readiness. The Iraqi Army will be equipped and trained by the middle of next year, but this does not, as Senator Obama suggests, mean that they will then be ready to secure their country without a good deal of help. The Iraqi Air Force, for one, still lags behind, and no modern army can operate without air cover. The Iraqis are also still learning how to conduct planning, logistics, command and control, communications, and other complicated functions needed to support frontline troops.

No one favors a permanent U.S. presence, as Senator Obama charges. A partial withdrawal has already occurred with the departure of five “surge” brigades, and more withdrawals can take place as the security situation improves. As we draw down in Iraq, we can beef up our presence on other battlefields, such as Afghanistan, without fear of leaving a failed state behind. I have said that I expect to welcome home most of our troops from Iraq by the end of my first term in office, in 2013.

But I have also said that any draw-downs must be based on a realistic assessment of conditions on the ground, not on an artificial timetable crafted for domestic political reasons. This is the crux of my disagreement with Senator Obama.

Senator Obama has said that he would consult our commanders on the ground and Iraqi leaders, but he did no such thing before releasing his “plan for Iraq.” Perhaps that’s because he doesn’t want to hear what they have to say. During the course of eight visits to Iraq, I have heard many times from our troops what Major General Jeffrey Hammond, commander of coalition forces in Baghdad, recently said: that leaving based on a timetable would be “very dangerous.”

The danger is that extremists supported by Al Qaeda and Iran could stage a comeback, as they have in the past when we’ve had too few troops in Iraq. Senator Obama seems to have learned nothing from recent history. I find it ironic that he is emulating the worst mistake of the Bush administration by waving the “Mission Accomplished” banner prematurely.

I am also dismayed that he never talks about winning the war—only of ending it. But if we don’t win the war, our enemies will. A triumph for the terrorists would be a disaster for us. That is something I will not allow to happen as president. Instead I will continue implementing a proven counterinsurgency strategy not only in Iraq but also in Afghanistan with the goal of creating stable, secure, self-sustaining democratic allies.

 
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Not to mention that his response was well written, and sensible. The stated claim that they won't print McCain's because it doesn't "mirror" Obama's is such a farce.

They want McCain to respond to Obama's talking points so it looks like he is on the defensive. They do not want McCain to define his own agenda here for the simple reason it will not make Obama look any better.
 
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The faat that the editor who turned down the McCain op-ed worked for Clinton certainly had no bearing on it I'm sure.
 
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I stand corrected. Given his media outlets are conservative I figured Murdoch was as much. I had no idea he endorsed Obama though...

Trust your first instinct - I think you were correct before. If you were a bleeding heart liberal, would you start a conservative media network that played a significant role in garnering public support for the war in Iraq?

Their master's voice | Media | The Guardian

The reason you had no idea he endorsed Obama is because he didn't. He just fawned over him b/c he wants access to him - both during his candidacy and if he becomes POTUS.
 
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Trust your first instinct - I think you were correct before. If you were a bleeding heart liberal, would you start a conservative media network that played a significant role in garnering public support for the war in Iraq?

Their master's voice | Media | The Guardian

The reason you had no idea he endorsed Obama is because he didn't. He just fawned over him b/c he wants access to him - both during his candidacy and if he becomes POTUS.

Are you telling me he never supported Hillary? Give me a break. Murdoch is a liberal, we've been through this before.
 
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Trust your first instinct - I think you were correct before. If you were a bleeding heart liberal, would you start a conservative media network that played a significant role in garnering public support for the war in Iraq?

Their master's voice | Media | The Guardian

The reason you had no idea he endorsed Obama is because he didn't. He just fawned over him b/c he wants access to him - both during his candidacy and if he becomes POTUS.

Yes it = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

What does your company model and personal belief have to do with any thing?
 
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Murdoch is a liberal, but he has a conservative news channel. He knows where the viewers are and thats how he makes $$$. I think he played his cards right by doing the "Fox News" instead of something like Air America. I wonder why that is??? :whistling:
 
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Murdoch is a liberal, but he has a conservative news channel. He knows where the viewers are and thats how he makes $$$. I think he played his cards right by doing the "Fox News" instead of something like Air America. I wonder why that is??? :whistling:

Oh I don't know.... he is a capitalist.......

Air America is run by socialists.............

:eek:k:
 
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TennNC - it's well known that Murdoch is a liberal. If you need proof of that, then look no further than the fact that he once held a fundraiser for the widely popular and very influential Senator from New York, Hillary Clinton. Everyone knows that he wanted Hillary to become president because he's such a liberal -- and because she's such a liberal, too. Forget the fact that he owns Fox News Channel. Besides, Fox is not conservative anyway. Of course, he also owns the Wall Street Journal which is still very conservative, but it won't be for long. Rumor is they are going to endorse Barack Obama because they think he's a stronger candidate than McCain -- especially on the economy. Again, more proof that Murdoch is really a liberal.
 
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Yes it was unfair McCain's op-ed piece didn't get published. But how many times will McCain be on Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity and how many times will Obama? It's not like McCain doesn't have a means of getting his message out.
 
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Yes it was unfair McCain's op-ed piece didn't get published. But how many times will McCain be on Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity and how many times will Obama? It's not like McCain doesn't have a means of getting his message out.

Do you REALLY think Obama will go on Rush or Hannity's show?
 
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Yes it was unfair McCain's op-ed piece didn't get published. But how many times will McCain be on Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity and how many times will Obama? It's not like McCain doesn't have a means of getting his message out.

it's not like either Rush or Hannity wouldn't clear their schedule to have gObama on their show. All he has to do is ask
 
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TennNC - it's well known that Murdoch is a liberal. If you need proof of that, then look no further than the fact that he once held a fundraiser for the widely popular and very influential Senator from New York, Hillary Clinton. Everyone knows that he wanted Hillary to become president because he's such a liberal -- and because she's such a liberal, too. Forget the fact that he owns Fox News Channel. Besides, Fox is not conservative anyway. Of course, he also owns the Wall Street Journal which is still very conservative, but it won't be for long. Rumor is they are going to endorse Barack Obama because they think he's a stronger candidate than McCain -- especially on the economy. Again, more proof that Murdoch is really a liberal.

Did you get this information from
www.liberalseatbabies.com ?
 

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