Obama Angry at Gen. McChrystal

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Obama is like that marine lieutenant from the movie "Aliens" he has plenty of education, but when it actually comes down to real leadership, he's just a big steaming pile of fail.
 
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Please. He completely deserves to be rebuked.

If the POTUS was Palin and a general was criticizing her decision to send more troops in, arguing that less would be better and that more will just cost lives, and the general went on tv and said that, you guys would be screaming bloody murder and demanding he be fired.

The military does not publicly criticize the commander in chief. He's lucky he still has a job. In fact, we may find down the line here soon that he does not.
 
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Could all of this possible been prevented if they were to have, say.......a meeting. I hear that's been an issue you for Mr. Obama. What with the golfing, and the Olympic publicity stunt, and the tv appearances, and the commercials, and the weekly concert series at the White House and the ect ect.................
 
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TXVOL07 said:
Could all of this possible been prevented if they were to have, say.......a meeting. I hear that's been an issue you for Mr. Obama. What with the golfing, and the Olympic publicity stunt, and the tv appearances, and the commercials, and the weekly concert series at the White House and the ect ect.................
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Even if all of that were true (which it isn't), that does not justify the general stepping out of line like that.

I say fire him.

If he doesn't do that, now, he will find others politicizing the military as they see fit down the line. Got to nip this in the bud.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Even if all of that were true (which it isn't), that does not justify the general stepping out of line like that.

I say fire him.

If he doesn't do that, now, he will find others politicizing the military as they see fit down the line. Got to nip this in the bud.
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According to the General, as of two weeks ago he had only spoken to Obama once during the past 70 days.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Please. He completely deserves to be rebuked.

If the POTUS was Palin and a general was criticizing her decision to send more troops in, arguing that less would be better and that more will just cost lives, and the general went on tv and said that, you guys would be screaming bloody murder and demanding he be fired.

The military does not publicly criticize the commander in chief. He's lucky he still has a job. In fact, we may find down the line here soon that he does not.
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Completely disagree, nor do I think McChrystal's remarks were that harsh. I do, however, believe the military should always be professional regarding their comments and should try to follow a chain of command. However, based on comments in the article I think they would prefer our military generals turn into politicians... which would be the absolute worst thing that can happen. If Obama would make (or have already made) a decision regarding Afghanistan, then this would be a non-issue.
 
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Now all of you know that Obama meet with McCrystal for an entire 45 minutes! Thats plenty of time to figure out evetything you need to know about a war.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Completely disagree, nor do I think McChrystal's remarks were that harsh. I do, however, believe the military should always be professional regarding their comments and should try to follow a chain of command. However, based on comments in the article I think they would prefer our military generals turn into politicians... which would be the absolute worst thing that can happen. If Obama would make (or have already made) a decision regarding Afghanistan, then this would be a non-issue.
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ding, ding, ding.....1,000% correct
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Now all of you know that Obama meet with McCrystal for an entire 45 minutes! Thats plenty of time to figure out evetything you need to know about a war.
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sadly, that IS all he wants to know about the "conflict"
 
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The longer we wait to do something about healthcare, the more Americans that die. We have to do something about healthcare RIGHT NOW. Or at least that is Obama's view.

Move to Afghanistan and evidently it is ok to wait for long periods of time even though the decision is all his. Interesting.
 
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BHO wants to just give them more Drones to fight with instead of more troops......lets see......Drone vs Mountains.....BRILLIANT
 
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If the truth be known his plan was to bring all troops home asap. But when he got into office and actually seen the intell, even he had to look twice at the information. Now he is stuck trying to appease his base and the middle. He will not make a snap decision about anything now. This will do nothing but get get soldiers killed for nothing. MHO!!
 
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The TOTUS hasn't been to Afghanistan since last June. He was a candidate and senator then. He's scared. At least Hillary showed up and soldiers were forced to get pics made with her.
 
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Even being right about his reasons for taking this public, McChrystal is wrong for embarrassing our CINC that way. That said, the issue will now get some focus from the clown, rather than his chasing Olympic glory.
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BigPapaVol said:
Even being right about his reasons for taking this public, McChrystal is wrong for embarrassing our CINC that way. That said, the issue will now get some focus from the clown, rather than his chasing Olympic glory.
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One could argue McChrystal fell on his own sword a bit, for the benefit of the troops over there.
 
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The point was made over the weekend that the generals got a bit spoiled late in the Bush presidency with regard to the chain of command. He would engage them directly, which was effective for him it seems, but the chain of command was rather disrupted. There are now attempts to reestablish that chain of command - but that is going to lead to some problems in the mean time.
 
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TennTradition said:
The point was made over the weekend that the generals got a bit spoiled late in the Bush presidency with regard to the chain of command. He would engage them directly, which was effective for him it seems, but the chain of command was rather disrupted. There are now attempts to reestablish that chain of command - but that is going to lead to some problems in the mean time.
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Who made that point? Sounds like a Sec Def issue.
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TennTradition said:
The point was made over the weekend that the generals got a bit spoiled late in the Bush presidency with regard to the chain of command. He would engage them directly, which was effective for him it seems, but the chain of command was rather disrupted. There are now attempts to reestablish that chain of command - but that is going to lead to some problems in the mean time.
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It was also the case that really until the very end, the generals and the commander in chief did not disagree, at least not fundamentally.

Now they have a new commander who would have started this thing far differently. The changes won't be subtle here, at some point.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Irrelevant.
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Bull shiz. Wrong or no, he clearly had a reason for doing something that he damn well knew was beyond his pay grade. He made a decision that the troops are more important than his position and sacrificed his career, a very distinguished one at that, for it.
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Fire him? He's BO's handpicked choice. He replaced the previous guy with McChrystal. The Washington Post piece showed the administration taking shots at McChrystal.

The upshot is that Team Obama is not one the same page internally or with it's primary commander in the field.

Regardless of being pro or anti-Obama; you have to agree that him simply doesn't appear to place a high priority on Afghanistan despite all his high-minded talk about it's importance.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Who made that point? Sounds like a Sec Def issue.
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I heard the point made by one of the Sunday morning panel commentators, but I can't remember which. Although, I think that he may have suggested that he learned this from (now, get ready for the "surprise"...) General James Jones.
 
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