Obama budget -- the backdrop

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This is not about the debate over the budget, its about the numbers underlying the projected revenues and deficits.

One of the things I really love about my new car is that I got satellite radio. There is a channel called POTUS and it is basically C-span on the radio, with some commentary programs thrown in.

They had on this morning as I ran some errands some conferences by the budget people about the every day practice of running the budget, projecting tax revenues, forecasting economic conditions. This stuff gets way past the bravado of each side's rhetoric and was very interesting.

A couple of things really stuck out for me. One, the projected GDP growth. This is used to forecast tax revenues.

Typically, over a five year period post recession, the GDP grows at an average of 4.2 percent. The government is using a lower number of 3.8 percent average over the next five years, with a number like 2.7 this year, climbing steadily over time to that 3.8 average.

Next, all of the projections about growth and tax revenue had to be completed in October/November in order to have time to run all the numbers. They go off of the tax structure at the time, which means that the forecasts now are going to be different in six months when they do their mid-year recalculations.

Last, the unemployment number they are working off is 9.7 percent, while the most recent number they cite is 9.0 percent. Not sure where they are getting 9.0 percent, but they said they temper that with seasonal adjustments anyway. Just thought it was interesting that the assumption is worse than reality for purposes of this exercise.

There was then a discussion with the host of the show and some economics professor they use who was going through the budget. Apparently, over the next 10 years, the interest on the debt will be $5 trillion. Now, in the next five, its $2 trillion. So there is a premium to be had in cutting the deficit quickly, while not falling far behind other countries in the areas that allow us to compete best, like education and technology.

On a side note, there was some commentary about how the WH and the GOP are headed for a fight over the National Institute of Health. Apparently, the most recent GOP plan cuts their funding by a billion, while Obama's budget would increase it by a billion. This is money that goes to cancer research and I am sure this is one of those things that just ends up not changing when all is said and done.

I once worked with the Florida Legislature and I've seen this ploy before. Neither side really wants to cut or increase spending, but both sides put out an initial plan to do one or the other. When they compromise with rearranging some dollars but leaving it effectively untouched, they both claim credit for thwarting the other side. It is in many respects a wink and a nod a charade by both.
 
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You might want to ask the economics professor why obamas administration is issuing primarily 2-5 year paper during an historically low insterest rate period. Could it be the deficit? No not at all. He's ****ing the next administration and probably a dozen after that to make the deficit lower today. Makes sense. But hey our payments are low today! What a great job.
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On the NIH deal - I believe Arlen Specter negotiated a large increase in the NIH budget in the Stimulus Deal. It's kinda like the freeze on discretionary spending - it went up 20% in the last two years; saying you'll freeze at this inflated rate is nuts. Likewise for NIH, it got a big jump. BO wants to add to it, R's want to take it back where it was. BO will say R's don't care about cancer...
 
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Interesting too is that many of the "cuts" in the Obama budget at most take programs back to 2008 spending levels. Certain areas (education/energy/epa) are seeing 20-35% budget growth over the inflated levels that resulted from the stimulus and last two omnibus bills. He's really taking this spending thing seriously.
 
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On the NIH deal - I believe Arlen Specter negotiated a large increase in the NIH budget in the Stimulus Deal. It's kinda like the freeze on discretionary spending - it went up 20% in the last two years; saying you'll freeze at this inflated rate is nuts. Likewise for NIH, it got a big jump. BO wants to add to it, R's want to take it back where it was. BO will say R's don't care about cancer...


Yes, he will. And the Republicans will point out the recent increases and say Obama doesn't care about the deficit.

In a few months, at conference, the NIH budget will remain as is, basically. And Obama will brag that he prevented cuts and the GOP will brag that they stopped more spending.
 
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4 years ago I would have agreed with your last comment LG. I don't now though. There isn't a single new Republican, and most of the old ones, that doesn't realize we Republicans are watching them closely. They pull any of that crap and we will vote them all out and get some one else in. I was at my local Rep's campaign party when she won last fall and I, along with many others who supported her campaign made it very clear that if she even tries to go middle of the road we will throw everything we have for some else. She barely won her primary as it was and most Republicans get it. The Dems on the other hand I believe are going to go down with Obama. They still think it's a game.
 
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Obama's economic programs and legislative initiatives have DIRECTLY contributed to the anemic nature of the current recovery. Without things like the unemployment extensions, stimulus, bail outs, etc... we are probably looking at 4% plus growth right now and rising interest rates to keep the economy from over heating. Unemployment would be at least .5% less if not more than that.

To answer another of your questions LG, the reason some conservatives think Obama is a traitor is that so many of his policies are just plain stupid if he isn't intentionally trying to do damage.
 
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it really doesn't matter, we're never going to pay down the debt, most American will not stop the need for government hand outs. we are europe and it's going to be a matter of a few years before we become greece. hussein is not going to cut spending and increasing taxes will not reduce our debts without spending cuts. it's a cycle that we'll never breat.

the dems since 2007 have spent more money that washing to Bush did. we are screwed.
 
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It was a great OP. Great to hear the hard numbers in the modelling.

I just want to be short and sweet: Anyone talking about "cuts" that don't include defense, prison, enforcement is simply talking nonsense. If you aren't talking about these areas you are just talking out your azz.
 
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It was a great OP. Great to hear the hard numbers in the modelling.

I just want to be short and sweet: Anyone talking about "cuts" that don't include defense, prison, enforcement is simply talking nonsense. If you aren't talking about these areas you are just talking out your azz.

It's just part of the system.

Both sides tend to want cuts for those programs that don't fully represent their interests or the lobbyists barraging them for votes.

Across the board cuts are a thing of the past.
 
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It's just part of the system.

Both sides tend to want cuts for those programs that don't fully represent their interests or the lobbyists barraging them for votes.

Across the board cuts are a thing of the past.

I'm not a fan of across the board cuts (I think they are trying that out in England right now).

I would agree this is grandstanding of the first order.

More would be saved taking 10% off the defense budget than all the other cuts combined.

Anyone who starts talking about a 25% defense budget cut is actually starting to talk serious. Look out for that politician. And let's be honest, we would still be the world's military superpower with a 50% cut. Petrified Cold War thinking.
 

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