Obama immigration policy

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Whether you agree or disagree you've got to admit its pretty good politics. The change affects those who came here when they were children, which means he can say they didn't really have a choice in the matter and should not be penalized for the choice of the parents. Going to be very tough for Romney to attack without making the Hispanic vote gap even worse than it is right now. And pretty much dq's Rubio because I think he might well endorse the change.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Whether you agree or disagree you've got to admit its pretty good politics. The change affects those who came here when they were children, which means he can say they didn't really have a choice in the matter and should not be penalized for the choice of the parents. Going to be very tough for Romney to attack without making the Hispanic vote gap even worse than it is right now. And pretty much dq's Rubio because I think he might well endorse the change.
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I am unsure as to how exactly Obama has the authority to do this. I agree with the idea; however, I think he is definitely outside of his lane.
 
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therealUT said:
I am unsure as to how exactly Obama has the authority to do this. I agree with the idea; however, I think he is definitely outside of his lane.
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I don't know, either. The problem is that anybody that cries foul over it is just going to look terrible.
 
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Did I read it right that it applies for anybody under 30 years old, or is that something else I'm thinking of?
 
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It is a great move politically. He is a masterful politician. An executive order to institute this policy instead of a law passed by congress is worrisome. The GOP, if they were smart, would have enacted the Dream Act long before Obama had the chance to do this.
 
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lawgator1 said:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/i...on-individuals-who-came-to-us-as-children.pdf


Have to have come here when under 16, can't be over 30 now. Had to have gone to school and graduated or got GED, or be in school or be honorably discharged from military. No felony convictions and no significant misdemeanors, or multiple misdemeanors.
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Ok that makes a lot more sense now.

I was about to say how does somebody in the range of 20-30 not have a choice coming here.
 
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just wait until he sees the hit to his UE numbers this creates
 
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PKT_VOL said:
It is a great move politically. He is a masterful politician. An execute order to institute this policy instead of a law passed by congress is worrisome. The GOP, if they were smart, would have enacted the Dream Act long before Obama had the chance to do this.
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not really, Bill Clinton is a masterful politician, Obama is a political hack who's trying to get re-elected
 
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
Ok that makes a lot more sense now.

I was about to say how does somebody in the range of 20-30 not have a choice coming here.
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Yeah, the executive order emphasizes that this is particular to those who came here with no intent to do anything illegal, they just followed their folks.

Already some Republicans complaining about bypassing the Congress. That is probably a valid criticism, but there's not much they are really going to do about it, I don't think. Will be interesting to see how the conservative talk hosts react.
 
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MG1968 said:
not really, Bill Clinton is a masterful politician, Obama is a political hack who's trying to get re-elected
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It depends on how you define "politician".

If you define it by getting things accomplished while in office, then your right, Clinton was pretty good. I would use the term "president" to describe that.

I define politician by his or her ability to get elected and staying in power once elected. Obama was brilliant in 2008 and this was a brilliant political move as well for the election this year.
 
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Sounds a lot like the deal Rubio has been wanting to present to the Senate. I don't disagree with it either. If you are under the age of 16 when brought here by your parents, you don't really have a choice in the matter. As long as they are strict on the no criminal record, graduating from high school, etc. I don't have a problem with it.

Some far-right groups are crying amnesty. While I think this is a step in that direction, I haven't read that it grants citizenship, just protects from being deported.

Rubio was talking about this Sunday before last. He proposes the same thing and says that these kids be granted permanent resident visas and then go through the process like every other immigrant who comes here.
 
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I wonder how Dems in Congress feel about his executive orders. Are they ok with being passed over and Barry making new laws when he likes? They don't get to take any credit for this.

I wonder what unemployed Americans who can't find jobs think about this.
 
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I will say though, I don't agree that it was done by Executive Order. This needs to be voted on in Congress. I do agree with the principal of it.
 
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The Repulican House should quietly cut funding to DHS so that this crap can't be carried on until Congress actually takes up the issue. Obama is back the Republicans into a corner, for sure, but political expediency cannot take precedence over shutting down Obama's power grabs.
 
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bamawriter said:
The Repulican House should quietly cut funding to DHS so that this crap can't be carried on until Congress actually takes up the issue. Obama is back the Republicans into a corner, for sure, but political expediency cannot take precedence over shutting down Obama's power grabs.
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By cutting funding, wouldn't they be cutting the funding needed to deport individuals as well?
 
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volfanjustin said:
I wonder how Dems in Congress feel about his executive orders. Are they ok with being passed over and Barry making new laws when he likes? They don't get to take any credit for this.

I wonder what unemployed Americans who can't find jobs think about this.
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They should come work for me.
 
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As I understand it, they are claiming this is deferred enforcement of immigration law with a side of "work permit" thrown it. The deferred enforcement may be within the purview of the Executive branch but I don't know if creating and granting work permits are (not sure what is available now).

Interesting how temporary this solution may be - if it's truly deferred enforcement then a change in administration could completely dissolve this. Presumably, these people are simply being taken off the "deport" list temporarily.

The unintended? consequences of this change: More illegal immigration to get kids into the system. More demands on K-12 schools and social programs for states that are underwater to begin with and the need for more Fed bailouts.

less than half-assed way to address the issue
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't know, either. The problem is that anybody that cries foul over it is just going to look terrible.
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What diff does it make how they look?? They are put in office to make tough decisions, not win popularity contests. Most of the time, doing the right thing is unpopular. Does that mean that they should only do what is politically convenient?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What diff does it make how they look?? They are put in office to make tough decisions, not win popularity contests. Most of the time, doing the right thing is unpopular. Does that mean that they should only do what is politically convenient?
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Not to be "that guy", but all elected officials got there by winning popularity contests. That's how it works. Their job is to win the next popularity contest, period. In between popularity contests, they spend most of their time and effort doing two things:
campaigning for the next election and
paying off those who most influenced the last election and those that will most influence the next election.

This will not/can not change. Once in a while doing the right thing coincides with political expedience per the above. But not very often. Sorry.
 
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