Obama inspires name for boat.

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gsvol

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Perhaps William Ayers should get some credit since
he wrote the book!

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Obama Inspired Ship to Join IHH Gaza Flotilla - Defense/Middle East - Israel News - Israel National News

This year's American vessel, named The Audacity of
Hope after US President Barack Obama’s best-selling
book, is being organized by an American group
called “US Boat to Gaza.”

Obama links to the Audacity do not end there,
however. Prof. Rashid Khalidi, director of the Middle
East Institute at Columbia University’s School of
International and Public Affairs, and a friend from
Obama’s time in Chicago, is among the supporters
of an appeal launched by the group last week.
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Together we will contribute to the great effort to
end the blockade of Gaza and the illegal occupation
of Palestine.”

In the first place Israel isn't performing an illegal
occupation.

netwmd - Palestinians: What’s yours is mine and what’s mine is mine - now let’s sign a peace deal

Stating the truth that Judea and Samaria are parts
of Israel (historically, biblically and according to all
agreements and UN resolutions) is not a claim, it
is a fact.


Withdrawing from those lands completely and leaving
it in the hands of “Fatas” — the new Fatah-Hamas
alliance — will make Israel more vulnerable and that
is not only according to Jews, it is the basis of the
planned, stepwise hudna (a Muslim tactical ceasefire
for the purposes of regrouping before again attacking
the enemy) that the Palestinians are counting on to
subdue Israel.
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Recall that Jordan made up 77% of the British Mandate
but that a major chunk was given to “Palestinians” as
a gift to Arab royalty from the British who took over
after the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire.
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You say that Palestinians are being “deprived of their
ancestral homes.” I wonder if the 1.3 million Muslims
inside Israel — living nicely in freedom and security in
a way that any Palestinian would envy - actually think
that they are being deprived. I do not see Jews
welcomed in this way in Palestinian-controlled areas
or in any of their countries. In fact, we have been told
by Abbas that a future state would have no place for
Jews and, based on history, Christians would also be
treated as second-class citizens. One million Jews
were evicted from Arab land since the 1940’s.

PASSENGERS ON THE AUDACITY OF HOPE USTOGAZA

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Historically and biblically, those people who are "Palestinians" are directly related to the Hebrews as well. Thus, they also have a claim to that land despite converting to Islam at some point in the past.
 
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Historically and biblically, those people who are "Palestinians" are directly related to the Hebrews as well. Thus, they also have a claim to that land despite converting to Islam at some point in the past.

Blasphemy.
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Perhaps William Ayers should get some credit since
he wrote the book!

Your anti-Obama rhetoric is slipping. According to conspiracy theorists, Ayers' name is connected to Dreams from my Father, not The Audacity of Hope.
 
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Your anti-Obama rhetoric is slipping. According to conspiracy theorists, Ayers' name is connected to Dreams from my Father, not The Audacity of Hope.

Ayers, the friendly man who lived in the neighborhood, wrote all his books as well and gave Barry his first high paying job and launched his political carreer with a fund raiser in his own home.

If there were any justice in America Ayers would be behind bars and that may still happen yet.

The wheels of Justice turn slowly.

Ayers has been a frequent visitor to the White House since Soetoro has been in office illegally.
 
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Ayers, the friendly man who lived in the neighborhood, wrote all his books as well.

Incorrect. Why don't you investigate the literary qualities of Audacity and Dreams? They were obviously written in two distinct voices. It would not surprise me if both were written by ghost-writers, since Obama was commissioned to write Dreams simply because the publisher wanted an autobiographical account from the first African-American editor of the Harvard Law Review. The second, was pure politics: a world in which most accounts by politicians are written by ghost-writers.

Either way, your assertion that Ayers wrote Audacity is simply another example of why I know, not just think, you are an ignorant waste of oxygen.
 
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Historically and biblically, those people who are "Palestinians" are directly related to the Hebrews as well. Thus, they also have a claim to that land despite converting to Islam at some point in the past.

Should they not also have a claim for much of trans-jordan?
 
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Historically and biblically, those people who are "Palestinians" are directly related to the Hebrews as well. Thus, they also have a claim to that land despite converting to Islam at some point in the past.

those blasphemers gave up that claim when converted to the religion of the devil.
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Should they not also have a claim for much of trans-jordan?

If you if you choose to follow that kind of logic. Also, you should give up your property to the Native Americans (don't tell me you're 32nd Native on your grandma's side, not enough). It's their heritage. The Brits should all go back to Germany (Anglo-Saxons) and all of Spain should clear out and leave the Basques alone. And on and on and on.
 
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If you if you choose to follow that kind of logic. Also, you should give up your property to the Native Americans (don't tell me you're 32nd Native on your grandma's side, not enough). It's their heritage. The Brits should all go back to Germany (Anglo-Saxons) and all of Spain should clear out and leave the Basques alone. And on and on and on.

Are you trying to go back and stop Eve from eating that apple?
 
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The Koran and the kafir: Islam and the infidel :
all that an infidel needs to know about the Koran
but is embarrassed to ask -
A. Ghosh - 1983

If Israel were an apartheid State, people like Arab
Israeli Salim Jurban would not have been elected
to Israel's Supreme Court and Ishmael Khaldi, a
Bedouin Muslim, would not have been appointed
an advisor to Israel's Foreign Minister, Avigdor
Lieberman, and then to the position of deputy
Consul General of Israel in San Francisco.

If Israel were an apartheid state, there would not
be 5 different Arab parties and 14 Arab Israeli
members of Knesset, some of whom are the most
outspoken and harshest critics of Israel, including
Haneen Zoabi who participated in the terrorist flotilla
in June 2010, and Ahmed Tibi, currently one of the
Deputy Speakers of the Knesset.

There are Arab parties in the Israeli Parliament;
full Arab voting rights. Arabs are welcome as both
physicians and patients in Israeli hospitals, and as
both teachers and students in Israeli schools.

The only national institution from which they are
exempted is the military, so that, if necessary,
they should not be required to fight against their
own brothers. Israel is clearly not an apartheid state.
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As the Muslim Arab Israeli journalist Khaled Abu
Toameh repeatedly says; "Israel is not an apartheid
state... Israel is a free and open democratic country.
I enjoy living here and I would rather live as a second
class citizen in Israel, even though I'm not, than a
first class citizen in any Arab country."

The real apartheid today is in places such as Saudi
Arabia, where the government totally forbids the
public practice of non-Muslim religions, the presence
of a Bible there, officially labels both Christians and
Jews "unbelievers," and cautions in the Qu'ran Muslims
not to befriend Christians or Jews:

Contrast that with the new Egypt after the so-called
'Arab spring,' the Christian parties have been expressly
excluded from talks about how the new government
will be run.

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Yes, because telling someone to change their borders is exactly like throwing jews in an oven just because their jews...
 
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Article from an earlier flotilla incident:

Walid Phares : 'The Gaza Flotilla Decoy for Iranian Missiles to Hezbollah' : World Defense Review

This is not new: It is a modified repeat of previous
manipulated incidents: The Hezbollah War in 2006,
the Hamas coup of 2007, the Gaza war in 2008 and
many similar successful maneuvers in the 1990s:
obstructing the peace process by using militants
wearing peace jackets. But the more ominous
development this flotilla is camouflaging is a real
land fleet bringing missiles and advanced weapons
to Hezbollah from Syria to the Bekaa Valley.

Over the past weeks reports have abounded
about Iranian long-range missiles shipped via
Syria to Hezbollah and satellite images have
shown terror bases in the vicinity of Damascus
growing under Baathist protection. As soon as
the attention of the international community
began to focus on the flow of strategic weapons
to Hezbollah, the "brotherhood of regimes"
unleashed the Gaza flotilla across the
Mediterranean. Seasoned geopolitical experts
would rationally link the move to create an
incident off the coasts of Gaza with the move
to equipping Hezbollah with lethal missiles.

In the end we're looking at two flotillas, the
maritime one in the south being only a decoy
for the land fleet to achieve its goal of war
preparations in the north.

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gsvol, you have the right to bear arms overthrow the government, you know? Get your cronies together and march on the capital.
 
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Yes, because telling someone to change their borders is exactly like throwing jews in an oven just because their jews...

Because of their Jews or because they are Jews??

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In 1967 while the Arabs were falsely accusing the
United States of airlifting supplies to Israel, Johnson
imposed an arms embargo on the region, France,
Israel's other main arms supplier also embargoed
arms to Israel, by contrast, the Soviets were
supplying massive amounts of arms to the Arabs
and simultaneously, the armies of Kuwait, Algeria,
Saudi Arabia and Iraq were contributing troops and
arms to the Egyptian, Syrian and Jordanian military
fronts.

Nabil Shaath, an aide to Palestinian President
Mahmoud Abbas, said Netanyahu's insistence on
keeping key parts of the territories the Palestinians
want for their state is a "declaration of war against
the Palestinians."

That's like saying that France's insistence on keeping
key parts of its territory that the Nazis wanted for
their state was a declaration of war.











gsvol, you have the right to bear arms overthrow the government, you know? Get your cronies together and march on the capital.

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By Ben Dror Yemini
Maariv (translated from Hebrew)
May 14, 2011



The real “nakba,” which is the story of the Arab
apartheid. Tens of millions, among them Jews,
suffered from the “nakba,” which included
dispossession, expulsion and displacement.

Only the Palestinians remained refugees
because they were treated to abuse and
oppression by the Arab countries.


Below is the story of the real “nakba”:

In 1959, the Arab League passed Resolution 1457,
which states as follows: “The Arab countries will not grant citizenship to applicants of Palestinian origin in
order to prevent their assimilation into the host
countries.”

That is a stunning resolution, which was diametrically
opposed to international norms in everything pertaining
to refugees in those years, particularly in that decade.

The story began, of course, in 1948, when the Palestinian “nakba” occurred. It was also the beginning
of every discussion on the Arab-Israeli conflict, with
the blame heaped on Israel, because it expelled the
refugees, turning them into miserable wretches.

This lie went public through academe and the media
dealing with the issue.

In previous articles on the issue of the Palestinians,
we explained that there is nothing special about the
Israeli Arab conflict.

First, the Arab countries refused to accept the proposal
of partition and they launched a war of annihilation
against the State of Israel which had barely been
established.

All precedents in this matter showed that the party
that starts the war - and with a declaration of
annihilation, yet - pays a price for it.

Second, this entails a population exchange: indeed,
between 550,000 and 710,000 Arabs (the most precise
calculation is that of Prof. Ephraim Karash, who
calculated and found that their number ranges
between 583,000 and 609,000). Most of them fled,
a minority were expelled because of the war and a
larger number of about 850,000 Jews were expelled
or fled from Arab countries ( the “Jewish nakba”).

Third, the Palestinians are not alone in this story.

Population exchanges and expulsions were the norm
at that time. They occurred in dozens of other conflict
points, and about 52 million people experienced
dispossession, expulsion and uprooting (”And the
World is lying”).

And fourth, in all the population exchange precedents
that occurred during or at the end of an armed conflict,
or on the backdrop of the establishment of a national
entity, or the disintegration of a multinational state
and the establishment of a national entity - there
was no return of refugees to the previous region,
which had turned into a new national state.

The displaced persons and the refugees, with almost
no exceptions, found sanctuary in the place in which
they joined a population with a similar background:
the ethnic Germans who wore expelled from Central
and Eastern Europe assimilated in Germany, the
Hungarian refugees from Czechoslovakia and other
places found sanctuary in Hungary, the Ukrainians
who were expelled from Poland found sanctuary in
Ukraine, and so forth. In this sense, the affinity
between the Arabs who originated in mandatory
Palestine and their neighbors in Jordan, Syria and
Lebanon, was similar or even greater than the
affinity between many ethnic Germans and their
country of origin in Germany, sometimes after a
disconnect of many generations.

Only the Arab states acted completely differently
from the rest of the world.


They crushed the refugees despite the fact that
they were their coreligionists and members of the
Arab nation. They instituted a régime of apartheid
to all intents and purposes. So we must remember
that the “nakba” was not caused by the actual
dispossession, which had also been experienced by
tens of millions of others.

The “nakba” is the story of the apartheid and abuse
suffered by the Arab refugees (it was only later that
they became “Palestinians”) in Arab countries.

Details about individual arab countries to follow, I
know I have already far exceeded your meager
attention span.
 
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No, seriously... take action GS. I wanna see what happens.

What's gs stand for anyway? Goat scat?
 
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Posting a bunch of pics on a message board that lovingly gave him the third overall seed in the faildozer contest is just his own little way of making change in the world.
 
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Posting a bunch of pics on a message board that lovingly gave him the third overall seed in the faildozer contest is just his own little way of making change in the world.

You don't understand! He could have had class! He could have been a contender! Well....maybe just a contender.
 
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I'm still for gs and his pals to get their guns together and march on the capital. He has every right to do so.
 
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I'll leave that to the likes of William Ayers killer.


Egypt:


Throughout many eras, there was no real distinction
between the inhabitants of Egypt and the inhabitants
of the coastal plain. Both were Muslims, Arabs, who
lived under Ottoman rule. According to the researcher
Oroub El-Abed, commercial ties, mutual migration and
intermarriage between the two groups was
commonplace. Many of the residents of Jaffa were
defined as Egyptians because they arrived in many
waves, like the wave of immigration to Jaffa during
the rule of Muhammad Ali and his son over many parts
of the coastal plain.

Inhabitants of the Ottoman Empire, which became
mandatory Palestine, did not have an ethnic or religious
identity that differed from that of the Egyptian Arabs.

Various records from the end of 1949 show that
202,000 refugees went to the Gaza Strip, primarily
from Jaffa, Beer Sheva and Majdal (Ashkelon). That
number may be exaggerated because the local poor
also joined the list of aid recipients. The refugees
went to the place where they were part of the
majority group from all standpoints: ethnic, national
and religious. Egypt, however, did not think so.

At first, back in September 1948, a “government of
all Palestine” was established, headed by Ahmad
al-Baki. However, it was an organization under
Egyptian auspices due to the rivalry with Jordan.
The ostensible Palestinian government gave up the
ghost after a decade.

What happened to the people in the Gaza Strip?

How did the Egyptians treat them? Strangely, there
is almost no research dealing with those days. But it
is a bit difficult to hide that not so distant past. The
Gaza Strip became a closed camp. It became almost
impossible to leave Gaza. Severe restrictions were
imposed on the Gazans (the originals and the refugees)
in everything connected with employment, education
and other matters. Every night there was a curfew
until dawn the next day. There was only one matter
in which the Egyptians assisted to the best of its
ability: the school books contained serious
incitement against Jews.


Already in 1950, Egypt notified the UN that “due to
the population crowding,” it would not be possible
to assist the Palestinians by resettling them. That
was a dubious excuse. Egypt thwarted the UN
proposal to resettle 150,000 refugees in Libya.


Many of the refugees who had fled in the earlier
stages and were within Egypt were also forced to
move to the giant concentration camp that was
forming in the Gaza Strip. In effect, all the settlement
arrangements proposed for resettling the refugees
were blocked by the Arab countries.


Despite the absolute isolation, there is testimony
about what happened in the Gaza Strip during those
years. The important American journalist Martha
Gellhorn paid a visit to the refugee camps in 1961.
She also went to the Gaza Strip. It wasn’t simple.
Gellhorn described the bureaucratic ordeal involved
in obtaining an entry permit to the Gaza Strip and
the days of waiting in Cairo. She also described
the “sharp contrast between the amiability of the
clerks, and the anti-Semitic propaganda that
blossomed in Cairo.” “The Gaza Strip is not a hole,”
Gellhorn stated, “but rather one big prison. The
Egyptian government and is the warden.”

She described a harsh military régime with all the
elite of the Gaza Strip expressing enthusiastically
pro-Nasser positions. Thus, for example, “For 13
years (1948-1961) only 300 refugees managed to
obtain temporary exit visas.” The only thing that
the Egyptians gave the Palestinians was hate
propaganda.

That is not the only testimony. In 1966, a Saudi
newspaper published a letter by one of the
inhabitants of the Gaza Strip:



“I would be happy if the Gaza Strip would be
conquered by Israel. At least that way we would
know that the one violating our honor, hurting us
and tormenting us - would be the Zionist oppressor,
Ben Gurion, and not an Arab brother whose name
is Abdel Nasser. The Jews under Hitler did not
suffer the way we are suffering under Nasser.
In order to go to Cairo or Alexandria or other cities,
we have to go through an ordeal.”


Radio Jedda in Saudi Arabia broadcast the following:



“We are aware of the laws that prohibit Palestinians
from working in Egypt. We have to ask Cairo, what is
the Iron Curtain that Abdel Nasser and his gang have
raised around the Gaza Strip and the refugees? The
military governor in Gaza has prohibited every Arab
from traveling to Cairo without a military permit, which
is valid for only 24 hours. Imagine, Arabs, how Nasser,
who claims to be the pioneer of Arab nationalism,
treats the wretched Arabs of Gaza, who are starving
to death while the military governor and his officers
enjoy the riches in the Gaza Strip.”


Even assuming that those were exaggerated
descriptions in the struggle between Saudi Arabia
and Nasser, we are still left with an oppressive
régime of two decades. And it is worth noting
another fact - when Israel arrived in the Gaza Strip,
the life expectancy there was 48 years of age. After
a little over two decades, the life expectancy has
jumped to 72 years of age, past that of Egypt.

More than the fact that this awards points to Israel,
it also shows the abyss in which the Gaza Strip found
itself during the days of the Egyptian régime.

Refugees from mandatory Palestine also lived in Egypt
itself. Many of them did not even feel that they were
Palestinians and preferred to assimilate. The Egyptians
prevented them from doing so. Except for a short
period of time that was considered the “golden age,”
during some of the years of Nasser’s rule, which did
not include the Gaza refugees, even those who were
in Egypt suffered from restrictions on purchasing land,
engaging in certain professions and education (for
example, there was a prohibition on the establishment
of a Palestinian school). The Egyptian citizenship law
allowed citizenship for someone whose father is
Egyptian, and later the law was expanded to anyone
whose mother is Egyptian. In actuality, however,
restrictions were imposed on anyone considered a
Palestinian. Even the decision of an Egyptian court
canceling the restrictions did not help. The new régime
in Egypt has recently promised change. The change,
even if it happens, cannot erase many years of
discrimination, which was tantamount to collective
punishment.

Thus, for example, in 1978, Egyptian Minister of
Culture Yusouf al-Shib'ai was murdered in Cyprus
by a member of Abu Nidal’s group. In reprisal, the
Palestinians suffered a new wave of attacks and
the Egyptian parliament renewed legislation
restricting the Palestinians in education and
employment services.
 
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Jordan:


Precisely like the identification and unity between
the Arabs of Jaffa and southern Israel, and the
Arabs of Egypt, similar identification exists between
the Arabs of the West Bank and the Arabs of Jordan.

Thus, for example, the Bedouin of the Majalis
(or Majilis) tribe from the al-Karak region are
originally from Hebron. During the days of the
Ottoman Empire, Eastern Jordan was part of the
Damascus district, like other parts of what later
came under the auspices of the British mandate.

According to the Balfour declaration,
the area now called Jordan was supposed
to be part of the Jewish national homeland.


The initial distress of the refugees on both sides
of the Jordan River, was enormous. For example,
Iraqi soldiers controlled the area of Nablus, and
there is testimony about “the Iraqi soldiers taking
the children of the rich for acts of debauchery
and returning the children to their families the
next day, the inhabitants are frequently arrested.”
(in Hebrew) Indeed, Arab solidarity.

It seemed that Jordan treated the refugees
differently. Under a 1954 Jordanian law, any
refugee who lived in the area of Jordan between
1948 and 1954 was given the right to citizenship.

However, that was only the outward façade.
Below is a description of the reality under the
Jordanian régime in the West Bank:



“We have never forgotten and we will never
forget the nature of the régime that degraded
our honor and trampled our human feelings. A
régime that was built on an inquisition and the
boots of the desert people. We lived for a long
time under the humiliation of the Arab nationalism
and it hurts to say that we had to wait for
the Israeli conquest in order to become aware
of humane relations with civilians.”


Because these things are liable to sound like an
ad from a public relations campaign by the occupying
force, it should be noted that they were published
in the name of critics from the West Bank in an
interview with the Lebanese newspaper Al Hawadith
on April 23, 1971.

As in all other Arab countries, Jordan did not do
a thing to dismantle the refugee camps.

While Israel was absorbing hundreds of t
housands of refugees from Europe and the
Arab countries in similar camps (transit
camps), and undergoing a punishing process
of rehabilitation, building new settlements
and dismantling the camps, Jordan did exactly
the opposite and prevented any process of rehabilitation.


During those same two decades,
not one institution of higher learning
was established in the West Bank.
The flowering of higher education
began in the 1970s, after the Israelis
took control..


Even the citizenship that was given to the
refugees was mainly for the sake of appearances.
Despite the fact that the Palestinians number
over 50% of the inhabitants of Jordan, they
hold only 18 seats - out of 110 - in the Jordanian
parliament, and only 9 senators out of 55, who are
appointed by the king.

It should also be recalled that during
just one month, September 1970, in
one confrontation, Jordan killed many
more Palestinians than all the Palestinians
who have been hurt in the 43 years of
Israeli rule over the West Bank and Gaza
Strip.
 

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