obama is pressuring justice department

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emainvol said:
If the group really is a political committee, then Simmons is breaking the law.
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while I agree, it is still telling that they must attack the messenger instead of the actual message. One day the Dems will wake up and realize what it takes to win an election again. I might even be alive to see it
 
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Question: The swift boat adds where done by a third party group weren't they? If so is this all that much different? Was it ever determined The Swift Boat Veterans group violated any laws?
 
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KB5252 said:
Question: The swift boat adds where done by a third party group weren't they? If so is this all that much different? Was it ever determined The Swift Boat Veterans group violated any laws?
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i don't think so.

what is the difference between these guys and movon.org? i don't there is any.
 
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KB5252 said:
Question: The swift boat adds where done by a third party group weren't they? If so is this all that much different? Was it ever determined The Swift Boat Veterans group violated any laws?
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The SBVFT was a 527 group, which was legit in the eyes of the law.
 
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KB5252 said:
Question: The swift boat adds where done by a third party group weren't they? If so is this all that much different? Was it ever determined The Swift Boat Veterans group violated any laws?
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Yep, they were fined 200,000+ for it. It was basically the same thing that we are talking about here (although I am not sure if Simmons' group is a registered 527?)
 
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KB5252 said:
Do you see much difference in this group and the SBV?
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At the surface, no. I don't know much about the AIP, and I can't find much on them either. This leads me to believe they have either been extremely low-key throughout their existence, or they are a political committee, as is charged by Obama's counsel, that just popped up recently.
 
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notverycrucial said:
The SBVFT was a 527 group, which was legit in the eyes of the law.
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527 groups are legit yes, but if they exist for the sole purpose of political campaigning, they must register as a political committee. The last part is what got SBVFT in trouble. They also can't coordinate with the candidates' campaigns.
 
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emainvol said:
At the surface, no. I don't know much about the AIP, and I can't find much on them either. This leads me to believe they have either been extremely low-key throughout their existence, or they are a political committee, as is charged by Obama's counsel, that just popped up recently.
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What about the charges that they are going after the messengers and not the message. Do you put any stock into that?
 
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KB5252 said:
What about the charges that they are going after the messengers and not the message. Do you put any stock into that?
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No. Acknowledging the message gives it a shred of credibility, which it doesn't deserve.
 
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TennNC said:
No. Acknowledging the message gives it a shred of credibility, which it doesn't deserve.
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What that he has ties to a known extremist? On the surface i would agree but when you add some of his other "associations" the cumulative circumstances do lend some credence don't they? Granted he may be a different man now but doesn't that speak to his judgment?
 
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utvolpj said:
so you're saying the ad is completely false?
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it's irrelevant. and vile. you know it.

it's a ludicrous attempt to make people think that Obama secretly has ties to terrorism.

it's as ludicrous as saying that Obama is a white supremacist b/c he has co-sponsored legislation with Sen. Robert Byrd, who was a KKK member decades ago.
 
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TennNC said:
it's irrelevant. and vile. you know it.

it's a ludicrous attempt to make people think that Obama secretly has ties to terrorism.

it's as ludicrous as saying that Obama is a white supremacist b/c he has co-sponsored legislation with Sen. Robert Byrd, who was a KKK member decades ago.
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Or an attempt to show poor judgment in his affiliations.
 
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KB5252 said:
Or an attempt to show poor judgment in his affiliations.
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Michael Kinsley said it well:

"If Obama's relationship with Ayers, however tangential, exposes Obama as a radical himself, or at least as a man with terrible judgment, he shares that radicalism or terrible judgment with a comically respectable list of Chicagoans and others — including Republicans and conservatives — who have embraced Ayers and Dohrn as good company, good citizens, even experts on children's issues."
 
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TennNC said:
it's irrelevant. and vile. you know it.

it's a ludicrous attempt to make people think that Obama secretly has ties to terrorism.

it's as ludicrous as saying that Obama is a white supremacist b/c he has co-sponsored legislation with Sen. Robert Byrd, who was a KKK member decades ago.
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some people forget we can't talk about about the chosen one:no:

i do believe obama has the same radical idiology as many of his past and present associates and to dismiss that is not smart at all.
 
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TennNC said:
Michael Kinsley said it well:

"If Obama's relationship with Ayers, however tangential, exposes Obama as a radical himself, or at least as a man with terrible judgment, he shares that radicalism or terrible judgment with a comically respectable list of Chicagoans and others —[B] including Republicans and conservatives — who have embraced Ayers and Dohrn as good company, good citizens, even experts on children's issues."[/B]
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I would question their judgment as well. Any man who has stated he did not do enough for his cause after bombing federal buildings would not be considered by myself and many other Americans as respectable.
 
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tangential relationship my a$$.

Obama kicked off his political career in Ayers' home, Obama was chair of the Annenberg Challenge, a group charged with "improving" education and founded by Ayers, Obama and Ayers were board members of the Woods Foundation, which had close relationships with a number of radical organizations.

this is 2004 all over again. Kerry's past was off limits, but W's past was a legitimate campaign topic.
 
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