Obama related to CSA President Jefferson Davis

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A new twist to an intriguing family history -- baltimoresun.com

WASHINGTON - Many people know that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's father was from Kenya and his mother from Kansas.

But an intriguing sliver of his family history has received almost no attention until now: It appears that forebears of his white mother owned slaves, according to genealogical research and census records.

The records - which had never been addressed publicly by the Illinois senator or his relatives - were first noted in an ancestry report compiled by William Addams Reitwiesner, who works at the Library of Congress and practices genealogy in his spare time. The report, on Reitwiesner's Web site, carries a disclaimer that it is a "first draft" - one likely to be examined more closely if Obama is nominated.


According to the research, one of Obama's great-great-great-great grandfathers, George Washington Overall, owned two slaves who were recorded in the 1850 census in Nelson County, Ky. The same records show that one of Obama's great-great-great-great-great-grandmothers, Mary Duvall, also owned two slaves.

The Sun retraced much of Reitwiesner's work, using census information available on the Web site ancestry.com and documents retrieved by the Kentucky Department for Libraries and Archives, among other sources. The records show that Overall, then 30, owned a 15-year-old black female and a 25-year-old black male, while Mary Duvall, his mother-in-law, owned a 60-year-old black man and a 58-year-old black woman. (Slaves are listed in the 1850 census by owner, age, "sex," and "colour," not by name.)

An Obama spokesman did not dispute the information and said that the senator's ancestors "are representative of America."

"While a relative owned slaves, another fought for the Union in the Civil War," campaign spokesman Bill Burton said last night. "And it is a true measure of progress that the descendant of a slave owner would come to marry a student from Kenya and produce a son who would grow up to be a candidate for president of the United States."

The research traces the Duvalls to Mareen Duvall, a major land owner in Anne Arundel County in the 1600s. The inventory of his estate in 1694 names 18 slaves, according to a family history published in 1952.

The records could add a new dimension to questions by some who have asked whether Obama - who was raised in East Asia and Hawaii and educated at Columbia and Harvard - is attuned to the struggles of American blacks descended from West African slaves.

"The twist is very interesting," said Ronald Walters, a political scientist who is director of the African-American Leadership Institute at the University of Maryland, College Park. "It deepens his connection with the experience of slavery, even if it deepens it on a different side of the equation."

Gary Boyd Roberts, a senior research scholar at the New England Historic Genealogical Society who published a book on the family lineage of presidents, said he did not think the slave-holding history was "particularly unusual."

"If you have a white Southern mother, or a mother from the middle states who has ancestry in the South, it doesn't strike me that that should be very surprising," he said. While the majority of such families did not own slaves, many with some wealth did, Roberts said.

Reitwiesner's research identifies two other presidential candidates, Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona and former Democratic Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, as descendants of slave owners. Three of McCain's great-great-grandfathers in Mississippi owned slaves, including one who owned 52 in 1860. Two ancestors of Edwards owned one slave each in Georgia in 1860.

It was unclear last night whether Obama was aware of any slave-holding ancestors, but he makes no mention of them in his 1995 memoir, Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.

The book contains many approving references to his mother's side of the family. At one point, he writes that his mother "could give voice to the virtues of her midwestern past and offer them up in distilled form."

The memoir, however, comes close to confirming the Overall-Duvall lineage - stopping a generation short. Census and other records complete the gaps.

In a reference to his American ancestry, Obama writes "while one of my great-great-grandfathers, Christopher Columbus Clark, had been a decorated Union soldier, his wife's mother was rumored to have been a second cousin of Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederacy."

Clark was actually Obama's great-great-great-grandfather, according to Reitwiesner's research and census data available at ancestry.com. A 1930 census document lists Clark, 84, living in the same El Dorado City, Kan., household as a 12-year-old great-grandson, Stanley A. Dunham. Dunham was Obama's grandfather.

Clark's wife, Susan, was the daughter of George Washington Overall, the latest known family slave owner.

Reitwiesner, the researcher, declined to be interviewed for this article. "I'll let my Web page [wargs.com] speak for itself," he said in an e-mail. The Obama report contains a disclaimer that appears on all of Reitwiesner's work: "The following material ... should not be considered either exhaustive or authoritative, but rather as a first draft."

Thoughts?
 
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Ironic perhaps, but newsworthy - no. A white southerner owning a slave in the 1800's isn't exactly news, nor does it have a damn thing to do with Obama and McCain running for President.

Thanks for sharing this interesting tidbit.
 
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Ironic perhaps, but newsworthy - no. A white southerner owning a slave in the 1800's isn't exactly news, nor does it have a damn thing to do with Obama and McCain running for President.

Thanks for sharing this interesting tidbit.

Who said it did?

:blink:
 
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My daddy owned 4 slaves.......me, my two brothers and a sister!
 
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I'm telling you Obama can relate to everyone. Muslims, Christians, atheists, blacks, whites, the confederacy, smokers and those trying to quit, drug users...
 
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There is something about him I don't trust.

I know some people think he has been groomed since birth to sabotage the U.S. and other conspiracy theories about him as well.
 
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There is something about him I don't trust.

I know some people think he has been groomed since birth to sabotage the U.S. and other conspiracy theories about him as well.


Just to ask......... is that a reference to the Anti-Christ?
 
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Oh my God southerners owned slaves in the 1800's? wha,wha,what? Are you kidding me? And let me guess Grizzley Adams had a beard too, huh, who'd a thunk it?
 
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Just to ask......... is that a reference to the Anti-Christ?

There is that one, what do you expect from Baptists though?

I always thought the Anti-Christ was to come from Europe or the old Roman Empire?

(I'm better in person at explaining things)

But there is also one where he is really aligned with radical
Muslims and is planning to sabotage the U.S.
 
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There is that one, what do you expect from Baptists though?

I always thought the Anti-Christ was to come from Europe or the old Roman Empire?

(I'm better in person at explaining things)

But there is also one where he is really aligned with radical
Muslims and is planning to sabotage the U.S.

That is what I thought, from what I have read and studied it seems the Anti-Christ will come out of eastern Europe and bring "peace" to the world.

As for the Muslim sabotage theory I love how people use Nostrodamus as their proof of the conspiracy.
 
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That is what I thought, from what I have read and studied it seems the Anti-Christ will come out of eastern Europe and bring "peace" to the world.

As for the Muslim sabotage theory I love how people use Nostrodamus as their proof of the conspiracy.

Especially between Israel and the Palestinians. then I believe with Russia he is to turn on on Israel, haven't studied those things in some time but I think that's what I remember studying.

But as I said with Baptists every new person that seems suspicious is a candidate for the Anti-Christ. :eek:lol:
 
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Especially between Israel and the Palestinians. then I believe with Russia he is to turn on on Israel, haven't studied those things in some time but I think that's what I remember studying.

But as I said with Baptists every new person that seems suspicious is a candidate for the Anti-Christ. :eek:lol:

I grew up in a strict indy baptist church, well strict isn't the word for it, every other day someone was the new anti-christ.

I think it will be Russia and China turning on Israel....
 
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I grew up in a strict indy baptist church, well strict isn't the word for it, every other day someone was the new anti-christ.

I think it will be Russia and China turning on Israel....

Yes, I couldn't remember the other country. I got into this stuff back in high school actually. I heard a guy named Jimmy DeYoung speak at church and learned a lot about this topic after listening to him. It is a topic I could discuss everyday but also makes me crazy too.
 
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Yes, I couldn't remember the other country. I got into this stuff back in high school actually. I heard a guy named Jimmy DeYoung speak at church and learned a lot about this topic after listening to him. It is a topic I could discuss everyday but also makes me crazy too.


Yep, because in the end, we probably don't have a clue as to what will happen.

:)
 
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There is that one, what do you expect from Baptists though?

I always thought the Anti-Christ was to come from Europe or the old Roman Empire?

(I'm better in person at explaining things)

But there is also one where he is really aligned with radical
Muslims and is planning to sabotage the U.S.

Who, exactly, is feeding all this bunkam? Even worse, are you actually naive enough to believe it?
 
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I grew up in a strict indy baptist church, well strict isn't the word for it, every other day someone was the new anti-christ.

I think it will be Russia and China turning on Israel....
keep your eye on Israel...if these 2 countries turn on them, the end may be near...glad we back Israel
 

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