Obama - Student Loan Relief

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Oh, it's part of his jobs agenda. However, that agenda is only designed to save one job.
 
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So my question is the dept of education getting into the banking business or something?
 
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Fun. I guess the two jobs I worked while in school for 4 years so I wouldn't have student loans were for nothing.
 
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I won't be satisfied until he magically wipes all my student loan debt away. It's stupid to expect me to repay it.
 
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Fun. I guess the two jobs I worked while in school for 4 years so I wouldn't have student loans were for nothing.

Heck ya - a nearly 6% interest spread is a pretty sweet deal.

I guess we'll need ODoEd protests soon.
 
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Jesus-jumped up Christ does this guy ever tell the whole story?

Obama’s student loan plan isn’t so new - The Washington Post

Starting in 2014 and later, the cap is lowered to 10 percent and debt forgiven after 20 years. But under Obama’s plan, borrowers who took out student loans in 2008 and later — and who take out a new loan in 2012 — can get the lower cap and the loan forgiveness starting next year, Gast said.

Basically he accelerated a plan that Congress - yes that Congress that won't do anything - had already approved.

The president’s plan does not affect borrowers who took on loans before 2008 and who do not take out a new loan next year. So, if you are already in repayment and are not planning to take out new student loans, this plan does not affect you.

The changes could help borrowers who in 2012 and later consolidate loans from the government’s direct loan program and the nixed Federal Family Education Loan (FFEL) program.

Sorry OWS saps - Obama played you and assumes you are too dumb to realize it; or that someone stole your Mac at a rally and you can't look up the details.

Wonder how many jobs this will save or create?
 
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Just looked at the numbers, didn't realize a 10% payment or more than 10 year repayment, probably applies to those with loans equivalent to a years of take home pay. That's probably a lot more people than I initially thought.
 
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Does this leave any incentive to repay? Removes incentive to lower costs and lets universities run rampant with pricing even more than the current idiotic program, all for the sake of growing endowments.

We've essentially shoveled a pile of debt onto graduates for the sake of growing endowments and the government has been complicit by allowing the loan programs to grow at an enormous pace.
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I thought with student loans, as long as you have a salary, they can get their money. At the minimum, you still have to pay 10% of your salary. But I guess if you want to read into it. Those with monster loans (which only doctors and lawyers should be able to get - but I'm not sure if that's how it actually works), might be able to get off with only paying $200,000 instead of the $300,0000 they actually owe. I guess if you make a crap salary for 20 years, it could potentially be a loan as low as $60,0000.

edit: And that's not factoring in interest, which is pretty substatial. I guess I'm concluding this actually probably affects a lot of people. Which is surprising to me.
 
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I thought with student loans, as long as you have a salary, they can get their money. At the minimum, you still have to pay 10% of your salary. But I guess if you want to read into it. Those with monster loans (which only doctors and lawyers should be able to get - but I'm not sure if that's how it actually works), might be able to get off with only paying $200,000 instead of the $300,0000 they actually owe. I guess if you make a crap salary for 20 years, it could potentially be a loan as low as $60,0000.

edit: And that's not factoring in interest, which is pretty substatial. I guess I'm concluding this actually probably affects a lot of people. Which is surprising to me.

Effectively, they can always get their money back since student loans aren't dischargeable in bankruptcy. I believe that was one of the idiotic demands that the Occupy movement supported at one time

Edit: almost always non-dischargeable, but it's so difficult it might as well be impossible
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I've still got about $20,000 to pay back, and I have been paying since 2003. If he would just wipe away that debt, I'd give him my vote. Sounds like a good swap.
 
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I thought with student loans, as long as you have a salary, they can get their money. At the minimum, you still have to pay 10% of your salary. But I guess if you want to read into it. Those with monster loans (which only doctors and lawyers should be able to get - but I'm not sure if that's how it actually works), might be able to get off with only paying $200,000 instead of the $300,0000 they actually owe. I guess if you make a crap salary for 20 years, it could potentially be a loan as low as $60,0000.

edit: And that's not factoring in interest, which is pretty substatial. I guess I'm concluding this actually probably affects a lot of people. Which is surprising to me.

My bet is a substantial chunk of these big bills is private loans which are not affected. This only goes for things like Staffords, Pells, etc.
 
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http://www.theatlantic.com/business...ent-loan-action-wont-have-much-impact/247411/

Excerpt from the article

Obama's Executive Orders:

The president seeks to make the situation a little bit easier for some of those graduates. He will create an executive order that has three components.


He will clear the way for borrowers with direct government loans and government-backed private loans to consolidate their balances. The White House estimates that this will cut the effective interest rate on student loans by up to 0.5%.
He will limit the amount of student loan payments to 10% of a graduate's income. (Currently, the limit is 15%.)
He will allow debt still outstanding after 20 years to be forgiven. (Currently, forgiveness occurs after 25 years.)

Those last two orders are really just the president moving up the timeline of existing legislation. Both changes are set to go into effect in 2014, but the president will order that they go into effect as of 2012.

The Impact
Let's consider the impact of each of these orders.

Consolidation

The first would clearly be the most significant, because it is aimed at helping more student loan borrowers. How much would an interest rate reduction of up to 0.5% affect payments?

For the average borrower, the impact would be small. In 2011, Bachelor's degree recipients graduating with debt had an average balance of $27,204, according to an analysis done by finaid.org, based on Department of Education data. That average has ballooned from just $17,646 over the past decade.

Using these values as the high and low bounds of average student debt over the last ten years, the monthly savings for the average student loan borrower would be between $4.50 and $7.75 per month. Clearly, this isn't going to save the economy. While borrowers with bigger balances would save more, this is the average. And even someone with $100,000 in loans would only cut their monthly payments by $28.50.

Payment Limits
As mentioned, the government already has a program for borrowers to reduce their student loan payments to a ceiling of 15% of their income. At this time, just 450,000 borrowers are participating. Clearly, all of those participants would benefit from lowering the max payment to 10%. But how many others would?*

Student loan balances have really only ballooned over the past decade. So this change would affect very few Americans over the age of 32. For the young adults who it may effect, we must remember that educational attainment has some correlation to income. Those with the most debt will have attended business school, medical school, or law school. Most of those people will also have higher incomes, making them ineligible. For a person with the average student debt load, their annual income would need to be lower than $32,000** to qualify. The average income for Bachelor's degree holders aged 25 to 34 is $40,100.

Loan Forgiveness
Of all these parts of Obama's executive order, the loan forgiveness aspect will have the least impact. By moving the timeline from 25 to 20 years, it could be significant in the long run -- but it won't be felt for decades. Remember, 82% of the current student loan debt outstanding was accrued in just the past decade. So it will be at least another 10 years before any of those borrborrowers have hit the 20-year mark in their student loan payments.
 
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