obama tells Israel to go back to 1967 borders

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uh oh

Obama: Palestinian State Must Be Based on 1967 Borders - FoxNews.com

can't say I love this part either: Obama said Thursday the U.S. would forgive roughly $1 billion in debt owed by Egypt to free up money for job-creation efforts there. Plus he plans to guarantee up to $1 billion in loans for Egypt through the Overseas Private Investment Corp., a U.S. government institution that mobilizes private capital.
 
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why is it that these borders everyone is obsessed with never involve those of Jordan?
 
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droski said:
uh oh

Obama: Palestinian State Must Be Based on 1967 Borders - FoxNews.com

can't say I love this part either: Obama said Thursday the U.S. would forgive roughly $1 billion in debt owed by Egypt to free up money for job-creation efforts there. Plus he plans to guarantee up to $1 billion in loans for Egypt through the Overseas Private Investment Corp., a U.S. government institution that mobilizes private capital.
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While our debt is at its max? Great idea.
 
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In hindsight, maybe we should have just made East Germany the Jewish state...
 
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It just seems like one more example where our allies get no respect while our enemies get kid glove treatment.

That's why I highlighted the comment about attitudes towards the US in the midEast. Between the Cairo speech, the Arab Spring and all the comments in between, most people in the region still hate us.

Obama FP hasn't won any hearts and minds of Arabs and is losing hearts and minds of Israelis. He's probably won a few points with Euro citizens but were we really worried about them disliking the US?
 
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He will not win any hearts. He has our allies at a stand off. They will all say nice things but in reality not deal with us until Obama is gone. They will of course make economic deals that involve us having a colon exam. Obama is without a doubt the worst President in the modern era.
 
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Is there really a correct solution here? People are going to complain no matter what. According to the Foxnews article posted in this thread (for offset I should post a MSNBC article, though I doubt it would get the same traction around here) he said in the speech that Israeli security is still paramount, and had some pretty tough language directed at Syria and Libya.

I have a question for the board, and I am honestly torn on it. If Bush were president, with his foreign policy hardlines, tough talking, and favored support of Israel...do you think we would be seeing the widespread protests and calls for democracy we are seeing in the middle east now? I don't know if Obama language/policies, etc have caused, helped, or had no effect in this regard.

I mean, what has changed? When Bush was president Egyptian, Libyian, Syrian rulers were still the same maniacs they were today, yet we continued to give aid and never heard of atrocities.

I will probably get flamed for this, but whatever. Obama, in my opinion, has come across as very pro-democracy and peace in the region, supporting people having the right to choose for themselves. While every other president before him said the same, the tacit support of corrupt regimes either isn't there now, or isn't near as strong. From the average ME point of view, there doesn't seem to be as much hypocrisy as with past administrations. I absolutely disagree that he hasn't won any hearts and minds over there.

Call me liberal, soft, whatever. But I don't have any major problems with how he has handled the ME situation thus far in his presidency.
 
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The ME is a no win situation, but I don't see how Obama can support Israel's right to defend itself and then in the same breath say "but give back that land you captured while defending yourself."
 
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1) I was shocked, I tell you, shocked, to see that Fox "News" story statement that Obama "stunned Washington and Jerusalem" by calling for a two state solution. Duh, I heard he was going to say that yesterday. You don't think Obama called all the principals well in advance? Of course he did. This didn't "stun" anyone. Total effort to make it look like Obama has gone rogue on Israel. By Fox. As usual.

2) If it isn't going to be a two state solution, what is it going to be? I hear a lot of people jumping on criticizing Obama for this without offering an alternative. Heck, even the Israelis have occassionally hinted at a two state solution.

3) The speech was designed to curry favor with the uprisings in various Arab states, to suggest that the Arab Spring can also come as we implement a long term solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Its so obviously necessary that its painful.
 
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The 1967 borders would require having families uproot and go where? We are not talking about a few but thousands. These people are viable humans who pay taxes and love life. He would have them get up and leave the home they built and go live in a box. He would also give back Jerusalem to the Arabs even though it is majority Jewish and the Christians prefer Jewish rule i.e. we believe in freedom and they like that. It is just about fact in most analyst minds that giving this land up would achieve nothing as they would next ask for the Jews to walk into the sea. May Obama suffer a horrible fate he is truly a total POS.
 
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Jewbaccah said:
The 1967 borders would require having families uproot and go where? We are not talking about a few but thousands. These people are viable humans who pay taxes and love life. He would have them get up and leave the home they built and go live in a box. He would also give back Jerusalem to the Arabs even though it is majority Jewish and the Christians prefer Jewish rule i.e. we believe in freedom and they like that. It is just about fact in most analyst minds that giving this land up would achieve nothing as they would next ask for the Jews to walk into the sea. May Obama suffer a horrible fate he is truly a total POS.
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Pay no attention to the LGs of the board they see nothing wrong with trampling on our allies and reaching out to those who would love nothing more than America to collapse. Israel is a shining beacon in a land of dimwitted uneducated underachievers.
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GAVol said:
The ME is a no win situation, but I don't see how Obama can support Israel's right to defend itself and then in the same breath say "but give back that land you captured while defending yourself."
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Should have stuck with the first part. The reality is that the situation is FUBAR and there is absolutely no proper way out of this.
 
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milohimself said:
Should have stuck with the first part. The reality is that the situation is FUBAR and there is absolutely no proper way out of this.
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certainly not one that asks our lone ally in the region to give away a bunch of land that they fought to win and happens to be filled with its citizens.
 
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It's akin to the Israeli PM telling us the way to solve our border problems is to just give Texas back to Mexico.
 
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