Obama's lead over GOP hopefuls widens to double digits

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I've said it before . . . This is a poll that Donald Trump once led.

Call me in July when there's an actual nominee to rally behind and gas is $4 a gallon.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Its march..........
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True.

And I can't tell whether the current trend in the polls is due to negativity WITHIN the GOP race, negativity TOWARDS the GOP race, or just a resurgence for Obama as the economy slowly improves.

Maybe all three.
 
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lawgator1 said:
True.

And I can't tell whether the current trend in the polls is due to negativity WITHIN the GOP race, negativity TOWARDS the GOP race, or just a resurgence for Obama as the economy slowly improves.

Maybe all three.
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I'd say it's both 1 and 2. I don't think the average American has really noticed much difference in the economy yet.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Gas already IS $4 a gallon.
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and its showing in todays polls

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

For the first time since late December 2011, Mitt Romney leads the president in a hypothetical 2012 matchup. Romney earns 45% of the vote, while the president attracts support from 43%. Romney holds a nine-point advantage among unaffiliated voters.

For the first time ever, Texas Congressman Ron Paul also leads the president. In that matchup, 43% prefer Paul and 41% Obama. Ten percent (10%) would vote for some other option, a figure that includes 17% of Republicans.

If former Senator Rick Santorum is the Republican nominee, the president leads by two, 45% to 43%. With former House Speaker Newt Gingrich as his opponent, the president enjoys a 10-point lead, 49% to 39%. Matchup results are updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update). See tracking history for Obama vs. all four Republican candidates.

Paul has the biggest gender gap of any GOP hopeful. The libertarian congressman leads by 13 among men and trails by eight among women. Paul also picks up 15% of the vote from self-identified liberals.
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lawgator1 said:
Gas already IS $4 a gallon.
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Yeah, I thought about you being in Florida after I posted that. Still around $3.65 here in GA.

I don't even like to think about where energy prices could potentially go.
 
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I don't quite get this part.
Paul has the biggest gender gap of any GOP hopeful. The libertarian congressman leads by 13 among men and trails by eight among women.
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
and its showing in todays polls

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™
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Interesting. The Politico/GeorgeWash U poll has Obama double digits ahead, whereas the poll by Rasumussen has, for example, Romney ahead by 2.

I question the Rasmussen poll of course because of its well known agenda and GOP bias. In particular, I think it telling that Rasmussen also has Ron Paul beating Obama by a point.

What? I think you have to wonder about a poll like that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Interesting. The Politico/GeorgeWash U poll has Obama double digits ahead, whereas the poll by Rasumussen has, for example, Romney ahead by 2.

I question the Rasmussen poll of course because of its well known agenda and GOP bias. In particular, I think it telling that Rasmussen also has Ron Paul beating Obama by a point.

What? I think you have to wonder about a poll like that.
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but you don't question one knocked out by a public university and freaking politico? Have you lost your mind?

If this election is about the economy, Obama should, and likely will, get hammered.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
but you don't question one knocked out by a public university and freaking politico? Have you lost your mind?

If this election is about the economy, Obama should, and likely will, get hammered.
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Other polls have shown Obama ahead, by amounts varying between 3 and 7 points.

One that shows Ron Paul ahead of Obama in the general I find dubious, to say the least.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Other polls have shown Obama ahead, by amounts varying between 3 and 7 points.

One that shows Ron Paul ahead of Obama in the general I find dubious, to say the least.
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Is there any poll at this point of any value whatsoever?

I find any silliness regarding the upturn in the economy as dubious as humanly possible, but you keep touting them nonetheless.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Is there any poll at this point of any value whatsoever?

I find any silliness regarding the upturn in the economy as dubious as humanly possible, but you keep touting them nonetheless.
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With regard to the "value" of a poll at this point, the only stock I put in them is in terms of trending, and for the last coup0le of months Obama has solidly been trending upwards, whereas each of the GOP nominees (and the party in general) has been trending downward, and substantially.

This is not to say things will remain that way. It is to say that the overall gestalt of the situation is that what looked a year ago as though Obama was in big trouble has turned, such that at this point it appears he is on his way to a second term and may accomplish that victory rather handily.

As to the upturn in the economy, even Romney admits things are improving. He is trying to carve out that middle ground and claim that it could be better. But he is not one of these Rick Santelli types who stomps his feet and whines at any good news and insists that its either a mathematical error or some kind of mistake for the numbers to be getting better.

The GOP hope that things would still suck so bad that they could not help but win just isn't going to work. Gas prices might help that argument, but ironically the desensitization to artificially high prices that the oil companies hoped to achieve in the last 4-5 years may well be their undoing.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Poll: Obama holds double digit leads over Romney and Santorum – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

By ten over Romney, by 11 over Santorum, and by 5 over generic GOP candidate who has not yet taken hits from negative advertising.
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That is not a "who would you vote for" poll. It is a favorability poll. For instance, when asked about Rick Santorum 11 percent said they had never heard of him and 14 percent had no opinion.

http://images.politico.com/global/2012/02/bg_46_questionnaire.html

The headline is another example of liberal media bias pushing this as a normal poll. In your same article they quote the Gallup poll:

"A new national poll from USA Today/Gallup tells a different story. According to the survey, which was also released Monday, Obama and Romney are deadlocked at 47% in a hypothetical matchup, with Santorum holding a 49%-46% margin over the president."

And because Gallup polls registered voters instead of likely voters it is always a few points to the left of Rasmussen who has been proven the most accurate at presidential polling.
 
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I don't think the polls mean anything now and don't think they will until the GOP picks their nominee and he chooses the VP candidate.
 
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volved said:
That is not a "who would you vote for" poll. It is a favorability poll.
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Hmmmm ....

"A Politico/George Washington University Battleground Poll released Monday indicates Obama topping former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney 53% to 43% in a hypothetical general election matchup, with the president leading former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania 53% to 42%."
 
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Gramps said:
I don't think the polls mean anything now and don't think they will until the GOP picks their nominee and he chooses the VP candidate.
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Good point as recent history suggests they will shoot themselves in the foot when choosing.
 
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I'll preface this by saying I think Obama is re-elected.

Polls probably tell us general sentiment at this time - dissatisfaction with R candidates is now showing up.

Major issues that can have a huge impact:

1) gas prices
2) economy and economic growth
3) Iran and what Israel does
4) Other ME events
5) Obamacare ruling and fall out
6) other
 
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volinbham said:
I'll preface this by saying I think Obama is re-elected.

Polls probably tell us general sentiment at this time - dissatisfaction with R candidates is now showing up.

Major issues that can have a huge impact:

1) gas prices
2) economy and economic growth
3) Iran and what Israel does
4) Other ME events
5) Obamacare ruling and fall out
6) other
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economic side of this thing appears to be a disaster waiting to happen. Fuel costs are definitely going to dampen support and the Euro debacle, with our biggest banks tied into it, is going to come home to roost at some point.

Can't see ObamaCare mattering because it's simply not costing anyone any money as long as the courts are opining.

Iran and greater ME are actually helping him. It's the lone place where he hasn't been as dismal as one could have predicted before he took the job.

I like his chances, but he'll have to stave off a crappy economy or get help from the media again in making the problem appear better than it is.

by the by, get me some info, here or elsewhere and let's chat some marketing / branding stuff.
 
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