Odds on new salary cap / 2011 season

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Alright, this will be coming up big in the next few months: Goodell has until the end of the March meeting to get the NFL players union and the owners to agree on a new collective bargaining agreement (some call salary cap). If this doesn't happen, the 2010 will be uncapped. In addition to this, there will be a lockout in the 2011 NFL season: meaning no football season and no Super Bowl in Indianapolis

So what's the chance you think Goodell is actually able to get this thing done?



I'm saying 15%
 
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Alright, this will be coming up big in the next few months: Goodell has until the end of the March meeting to get the NFL players union and the owners to agree on a new collective bargaining agreement (some call salary cap). If this doesn't happen, the 2010 will be uncapped. In addition to this, there will be a lockout in the 2011 NFL season: meaning no football season and no Super Bowl in Indianapolis

So what's the chance you think Goodell is actually able to get this thing done?



I'm saying 15%

It will get done, both sides know there is way too much to lose if they strike.
 
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It will get done, both sides know there is way too much to lose if they strike.

the media's reporting the owners are willing to take a lockout

and also this has been coming up for like 2 years now and goodell hasn't done squat about it (actually i think he sided with the owners last offseason); i'm really not confident in him at this point...
 
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the media's reporting the owners are willing to take a lockout

and also this has been coming up for like 2 years now and goodell hasn't done squat about it (actually i think he sided with the owners last offseason); i'm really not confident in him at this point...

You know how both sides play hard ball in negotiations until the eleventh hour.
 
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IMO, this plays out kind of like the NHL lockout a couple of years back.

It'd be interesting to see where the players go to play for that year.
 
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the media's reporting the owners are willing to take a lockout

and also this has been coming up for like 2 years now and goodell hasn't done squat about it (actually i think he sided with the owners last offseason); i'm really not confident in him at this point...

wonder if the owners want the media reporting that they'll opt for a lockout? Hmmm?
 
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You know how both sides play hard ball in negotiations until the eleventh hour.

yeah i dont doubt that

i think it's more of if they dont have a deal the day before/of, I could see the last commish saying "no, we're staying here till we get a deal hammered out" (i think he did that back in like 03 or 04) while I could see Goodell going "well, we're having an uncapped year" (and possibly "now I'm off to plan a Super Bowl and/or NFL franchise in London")
 
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I can guarantee the government will get involved in this if no deal is in place. They did in baseball and you can damn well expect they will in football too.
 
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what about a scab season in 2011? maurice clarett vs he hate me = recipe for awesome.
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Aw, damn. I think we can all agree that scabs > no football.

definitely agree; no football is the worst possible outcome hopefully roger realizes this and works his ass off this offseason to get a deal done, but the media's in the direction it's pretty likely the CBA is going to expire at this point....
 
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some interesting stuff from ESPN's Clayton:

NFL: Brees, Payton outduel Manning in Super Bowl XLIV - ESPN

Q: I know with all the CBA talks that a new deal won't be in place until after the March 5 deadline, but couldn't they put in a structure before that to have a salary cap? The cap seems to be pivotal in preventing a lockout, and I don't see why they can't just continue negotiations for a CBA while instituting the previous cap policy. It's probably more complicated than I'm making it, but is it possible?

John in Winston-Salem, N.C.

A: The scary part is that there is a group of owners who would like to try a season without the cap. Clearly, the players have to have an acceptable deal in place to keep the salary cap. The NFL owners can't have the best of both worlds by shorting the players in 2010 and then thinking the players are going to jump at a chance to return to the salary cap. Players, agents and unions like having no salary cap, but the NFLPA is willing to continue with a cap because it knows it has a great value for the game. There is still time to get a deal, but you get the feeling the owners are willing to gamble that they can get a better deal from the union later rather than get a deal done before March 5. I don't get their logic.
 
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they agreed to keep whatever rookie salary pool rules place...I was unaware they had any to begin with honestly

NFL draft will operate under rookie salary pool, slotting scale - NFL - SI.com

While the NFL will almost certainly enter its long-anticipated "uncapped" year next month, the league's 2010 draft will continue to operate under the rookie salary pool and slotting system that have been staples of the current collective bargaining agreement, a league spokesman confirmed to SI.com on Wednesday.

The rookie salary pool -- which previously functioned as a salary cap for first-year players under the NFL's soon-to-expire overall salary cap -- could have been dropped at the league's behest in an uncapped year, as the CBA stipulated. But the league decided to retain the rookie salary pool for 2010, even though it hopes any new CBA negotiations will address what it believes are the inequities of its rookie salary structure.

As has been the case with each draft class under the current CBA, this year's crop of NFL rookies will see their potential contract value determined by their draft spot -- the so-called slotting system. Had the league intended to opt out of the rookie salary pool in 2010, it would have had to notify the NFL Players Association by Feb. 20.

"The rookie pool is on under the normal formula,'' NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said. "That has been communicated to the clubs. It's part of the CBA, and there's no reason to discontinue that. There will be no notification to the union, because it's not being cancelled.''

Most analysts believe the 2010 draft will be one of the deepest in years, with a record number of juniors expected to infuse the first round (as many as 20-24 by some estimations). Many in the league believed the potential lack of a rookie pool in 2010 would coax even more underclassmen into April's draft -- especially given the uncertainty surrounding the potential rookie salary structure any new labor deal may produce.

Aiello said the league's clubs were made aware of the intention to have a rookie salary pool at the NFL's annual labor seminar in December. That occurred the month before a mid-January deadline for college juniors deciding whether to declare for the 2010 draft.

But a club executive told SI.com on Wednesday he still hadn't heard any definitive word from the league regarding whether it intended to have a rookie salary pool this year.

"I think everyone's planning as if there will be a rookie pool, but there's not been any word from the league,'' the club executive said. "Everyone's just operating on the assumption there will be a pool. I always figured if it was going to be different, they'd tell us.''

Some league observers felt the absence of a slotting system could result in more Michael Crabtree-like contract stalemates, in which agents try to assign value to a player without adhering strictly to where the player was drafted. That could have led to a greater emphasis on "signability'' in this year's draft, with teams eager to identify which highly-regarded prospects might have tried to capitalize on the one-year absence of a draft slotting system.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has been out-spoken in his desire to change the league's rookie salary structure, and last month the NFL reportedly proposed to the players union a new rookie wage scale for this year's draft, with players paid a fixed amount based on draft slot. The NFLPA responded with its own rookie salary proposal, but tied it to a two-year extension to the current CBA -- an idea which went nowhere. The NFL seems willing to deal with the rookie salary question separate from the looming labor talks.

The league's rookie salary pool is determined each May, following the NFL draft, and is based on that year's overall salary cap. It is in part determined by how many draft picks a team has and where those picks are located
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So here we go; the start of CBA talks that can last up till Mar 5

NFL, players union spend nearly two hours in talks, leave without comment - ESPN

INDIANAPOLIS -- NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith spent about 1 hour, 40 minutes working on a new collective bargaining agreement Thursday, then left without saying a word.
The two sides met in an Indianapolis hotel ballroom as the league's annual scouting combine began.

Goodell remains hopeful the two sides can reach a deal before March 2011 when the CBA expires.

If they do not have a new deal before March 5, the league will have its first non-salary cap season since 1993, and players are anticipating a lockout before the start of the 2011 season.

Smith was joined in the room by several player representatives including Jeff Saturday of Indianapolis and Mike Vrabel of Kansas City.

Goodell brought a group of league executives including executive vice president and general counsel Jeff Pash.

The meeting was supposed to last about one hour but went longer than expected. Goodell and Smith both declined to take questions afterward, and the player reps also did not take questions.

Goodell appeared to be in good spirits when he entered the room. He smiled and hugged one player before negotiations began. When the session broke up, both sides came out expressionless.

Smith has repeatedly said he expects NFL owners to lock out players before the start of the 2011 season, and the union has been telling players to plan appropriately so their families can have a similar lifestyle if there is a lockout.

The NFLPA also sent out a memo Tuesday saying it does not expect a new deal to be in place by March 5 when free agents can start signing with new teams.

Smith has said the sides have had 12 general bargaining sessions to discuss issues related to developing a new CBA and that there have been more than 30 overall bargaining sessions with the league in the past six months.

My favorite part in bold; "hey, we've got an important issue we need to discuss and have to decide on in 9 days....so let's spend less than 2 hours talking about it, ok?"

..... :ermm: I still dont think he's the guy who can get this done
 
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Well pretty much certainty now of an uncapped season

Union's pitch for capped 2010 shot down - Extra Points - Boston.com

According to multiple sources, the NFLPA made one last pitch to the owners to extend the old rules that the league operated under from 2006-09 into the 2010 season.

That would've meant remaining under a salary cap, making all the fourth- and fifth-year players who are slated to be restricted free agents unrestricted, and keeping the current player benefits system intact.

The owners shot the proposal down on Thursday, making the prospects of the NFL going into the 2010 league year a "near certainty," according to one source.

The players were informed last week that the union was going to make another run at keeping the league under a cap for one more year.

The union's pitch to the owners was twofold.

First, the NFLPA brass questioned why the league players should willingly go into a year of such uncertainty while the game is so prosperous. Second, the union pushed the idea that remaining in the current environment would "take the pressure off" of negotiations on a new CBA, since said uncertainty would be lifted and teams wouldn't be forced to step so softly into 2010.

The owners reiterated their stance that going into the uncapped environment was fine with them, and have moved on from the proposal.

The players and agents were informed by the union that it is estimated the conditions of the uncapped year will save each team around $40 million $10 million -- adding to a league-wide total of more than $1 billion $300 million. (Note: Got a correction on the numbers, which is reflected there.)

UPDATE: A league source said the money that the union was referencing was that sunk into benefits, and that each team simply has the option of removing the benefits. So if a team chooses to continue its benefits program, that $10 million will not be saved.

Thanks owners, you ruined a great thing. Hope you enjoy counting your money during the lockout next year

.....who am i kidding, of course they will


And goodell; good job not getting sh!t done. not like this is an important part of your job or anything, especially moreso than putting a team in London or banning the 3 point stance
 
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there's also apparently now some word that if the 2011 season is indeed a lockout, then the 2012 season would be shortened as well
 
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Ok, well it's March 5th now; either the last meeting on salary cap/ CBA is today or they had to decide on it today

Gentleman, welcome to the uncapped season

....and what will most likely be a very uneventful free agent market
 

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