ODU to C-USA

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when I mentioned this in the VCU to A10 thread a couple of hours ago, I mentioned that the CAA is in trouble. George Mason and (supposedly) James Madison are looking for other conferences and now Georgia State, VCU and my beloved ODU Monarchs are on their way out. I will miss all the traditional in state rivalries, but this is a chance ODU just couldn't pass up. Hopefully the CAA will see the $$$ they could lose if they stick to their bylaws and don't allow ODU to compete for CAA titles next year.
 
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I believe there should be only 2 divisions of all sports. Juco for academic casualties and big boy. Divisions 1-A, 1-AA, 2, 3 & Juco is ridiculous. How ridiculous for same collegiate sport there are multiple champions.
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
I believe there should be only 2 divisions of all sports. Juco for academic casualties and big boy. Divisions 1-A, 1-AA, 2, 3 & Juco is ridiculous. How ridiculous for same collegiate sport there are multiple champions.
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And two divisions of naia. But due to school sizes and budgets there's no way it would be fun to lump everyone together. I like having different divisions.
 
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I can't believe OD and Charlotte were added over MTSU. MTSU is in the Nashville market and have had a decent program in the Sunbelt for a while. It would keep a repsence in Tennessee with Memphis going to the Big East. I know they want TV markets, but at some point shouldn't the football programs be taken into consideration?
 
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volfanbill said:
And two divisions of naia. But due to school sizes and budgets there's no way it would be fun to lump everyone together. I like having different divisions.
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I say make the one division of like 500 schools and for the chumps who win the CAA or Atlantic10 a bowl game in a town like Mobile AL. They shouldnt get to claim a national title imo. This usnt peewee teeball. It is time to teach young people only one person can be #1.
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
I say make the one division of like 500 schools and for the chumps who win the CAA or Atlantic10 a bowl game in a town like Mobile AL. They shouldnt get to claim a national title imo. This usnt peewee teeball. It is time to teach young people only one person can be #1.
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so incredibly clueless. The CAA has had two Final Four teams in the past six years. They aren't peewee teeball.
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
I say make the one division of like 500 schools and for the chumps who win the CAA or Atlantic10 a bowl game in a town like Mobile AL. They shouldnt get to claim a national title imo. This usnt peewee teeball. It is time to teach young people only one person can be #1.
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You don't pay attention to basketball much, do you?
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
I say make the one division of like 500 schools and for the chumps who win the CAA or Atlantic10 a bowl game in a town like Mobile AL. They shouldnt get to claim a national title imo. This usnt peewee teeball. It is time to teach young people only one person can be #1.
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IIRC just a couple years ago the CAA had a 2-1 record vs the ACC in a season. They play good football
 
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volfanbill said:
when I mentioned this in the VCU to A10 thread a couple of hours ago, I mentioned that the CAA is in trouble. George Mason and (supposedly) James Madison are looking for other conferences and now Georgia State, VCU and my beloved ODU Monarchs are on their way out. I will miss all the traditional in state rivalries, but this is a chance ODU just couldn't pass up. Hopefully the CAA will see the $$$ they could lose if they stick to their bylaws and don't allow ODU to compete for CAA titles next year.
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I feel your pain on the CAA. It's stronger than i can remember at any point and it is being picked apart. But it's also an honor for that conference b/c it meas they've actually accomplished something special. CAA has historically had teams coming and going quite a bit, in large part to get to where it is now. I think the CAA will be fine, but they are going to have to rethink what kind of teams they want. Teams that got kicked out of CAA at one point or another will likely come back, especially b/c of geographic proximity. An example would be American U, who was once in CAA and is now, i believe, in the patriot league with a bunch of valley schools. Anyway. 2 cents.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
I think his point is more that those smaller conferences by and large get/would get dominated by the current FBS teams.
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Yeah I dont agree with the capital one rankings. North Dakota State getting ranked for winning a fcs title. Seriously.... they wouldn't be any better than schools that compete for Poulon Weedeater Bowl. As for basketball smaller schools because plenty of good players and good teams can only have like 13 schollys.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
I think his point is more that those smaller conferences by and large get/would get dominated by the current FBS teams.
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you mean like the ACC champs getting beat by a CAA team that didn't even make the playoffs? Arguing that they are automatically inferior is ignoring recent history and the benefits they'll get from a jump to FBS. 20+ scholarships is a big deal too
 
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utvolpj said:
you mean like the ACC champs getting beat by a CAA team that didn't even make the playoffs? Arguing that they are automatically inferior is ignoring recent history and the benefits they'll get from a jump to FBS. 20+ scholarships is a big deal too
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What is the overall record of FBS teams against FCS teams since the split? JMU's win came five days after Tech traveled to DC to play Boise. Not like the situation was favorable or anything.

Look at how few FBS teams have even sniffed a title. I don't think putting a bunch of FCS teams into the mix would help their chances. 99.99% of the time a team that's already in the upper echelon of FBS teams would win the title. There is zero, none, nil chance that an FCS team would win anything substantial in the same division as the Bamas, USCs, and Tennessees of the world.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
What is the overall record of FBS teams against FCS teams since the split? JMU's win came five days after Tech traveled to DC to play Boise. Not like the situation was favorable or anything.

Look at how few FBS teams have even sniffed a title. I don't think putting a bunch of FCS teams into the mix would help their chances. 99.99% of the time a team that's already in the upper echelon of FBS teams would win the title. There is zero, none, nil chance that an FCS team would win anything substantial in the same division as the Bamas, USCs, and Tennessees of the world.
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no way a team like Boise St could make the jump and be competing within a few years. ODU just started football back a couple years ago and are already competing on that level. Give them the same advantages and see what happens

what are teams like UK, Vandy, Duke, etc doing with the same chance then? Will they ever truly compete with the big boys
 
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rockytop9808 said:
What is the overall record of FBS teams against FCS teams since the split? JMU's win came five days after Tech traveled to DC to play Boise. Not like the situation was favorable or anything.

Look at how few FBS teams have even sniffed a title. I don't think putting a bunch of FCS teams into the mix would help their chances. 99.99% of the time a team that's already in the upper echelon of FBS teams would win the title. There is zero, none, nil chance that an FCS team would win anything substantial in the same division as the Bamas, USCs, and Tennessees of the world.
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Which is why they play in another division
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utvolpj said:
no way a team like Boise St could make the jump and be competing within a few years. ODU just started football back a couple years ago and are already competing on that level

and they aren't FCS teams anymore and will be on a level playing field.
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Tell me the last real surprising, non-traditional powerhouse to win a title.

We've got a group of three or four little upstarts that consistently whip up on weak competition without getting beat up during the regular season who come out winning a handful of big games. That's not impressive.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
Tell me the last real surprising, non-traditional powerhouse to win a title.

We've got a group of three or four little upstarts that consistently whip up on weak competition without getting beat up during the regular season who come out winning a handful of big games. That's not impressive.
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so I assume you want to limit FBS to just traditional powers?
 
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rockytop9808 said:
Did I ever say that? I said those teams would not compete. Historically, they do not. End of story.
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then why keep teams like Duke, UK, Vandy, etc around? Do you ever expect them to compete for a title? It seems if the whole qualification process revolves around competing for titles then they can cut lots of teams from FBS
 
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utvolpj said:
then why keep teams like Duke, UK, Vandy, etc around? Do you ever expect them to compete for a title? It seems if the whole qualification process revolves around competing for titles then they can cut lots of teams from FBS
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I'm just not seeing the benefit of creating a 300 team uber division when 90% of the teams will only be around to get shat on.
 
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utvolpj said:
then why keep teams like Duke, UK, Vandy, etc around? Do you ever expect them to compete for a title? It seems if the whole qualification process revolves around competing for titles then they can cut lots of teams from FBS
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But at least Duke, Vandy and UK will not be able to say they are a National champion Like frauds from lower divisions.
 
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