Offensive Scheme Question

[kiddiedoc]

(for those with more BB knowledge that me)

What kind of scheme do you guys think would work best for our half-court offense, given our current squad?

We have some serious athletes on the floor, and yet our offense looks pretty much identical to that of the past few years... It seems we aren't really taking advantage of what we have on the court. Last night is a great example: we have one of their bigs fouled out, yet we still don't seem capable of some good set plays to take the advantage.

 

[BasketVolKid]

we should run a standard motion type offense.... pass and screen away... enter the ball in the wing with the post players setting screens for the guards... then look inside... have guys coming off post screens and wing screens... making reads to curl, fade, or back cut.... have post players screening for each other when guards can't get them the ball from the wing. they should learn how to play basketball, setting screens making reads, working together, with good spacing. a standard motion offense allows everyone to play freely without set plays every time down or some stupid pattern offense like the flex.

the triangle is a based off of motion offense principles.

also watch Duke, UNC and KANSAS. Indiana under bobby knight was classic motion offense.

motion offense is really just standard, sound fundamental basketball. the FLEX is a set pattern offense where players make exactly the same cuts and picks/screens in the exact same place on the floor.

 

[cotton]

(for those with more BB knowledge that me)

What kind of scheme do you guys think would work best for our half-court offense, given our current squad?

We have some serious athletes on the floor, and yet our offense looks pretty much identical to that of the past few years... It seems we aren't really taking advantage of what we have on the court. Last night is a great example: we have one of their bigs fouled out, yet we still don't seem capable of some good set plays to take the advantage.

Chism, Smith, and Hopson are all match-up problems for opposing teams, and guard play isn't our strength. Ideally, I'd like to see something that gets those guys in isolations or 2-man games to take advantage of this.

What I see is us pretending to cycle through an offense, then winding up with one guy forcing something when it doesn't work. I'd like to see this happen by design rather than necessity so you put players in a postion to succeed rather than force a play.

 

[cotton]

we should run a standard motion type offense.... pass and screen away... enter the ball in the wing with the post players setting screens for the guards... then look inside... have guys coming off post screens and wing screens... making reads to curl, fade, or back cut.... have post players screening for each other when guards can't get them the ball from the wing. they should learn how to play basketball, setting screens making reads, working together, with good spacing. a standard motion offense allows everyone to play freely without set plays every time down or some stupid pattern offense like the flex.

the triangle is a based off of motion offense principles.

also watch Duke, UNC and KANSAS. Indiana under bobby knight was classic motion offense.

motion offense is really just standard, sound fundamental basketball. the FLEX is a set pattern offense where players make exactly the same cuts and picks/screens in the exact same place on the floor.

When I picture the motion offense, I picture those '90s Duke teams running it. I don't know that anybody did it better than K, who of course learned it from Knight.

 

[hatingbamaisawayoflife]

Anyone that thinks the flex does not have multiple options is nuts. The guys just don't run it well IMO. Flex could be very successful and is when run correctly and intelligently
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[cotton]

Anyone that thinks the flex does not have multiple options is nuts. The guys just don't run it well IMO. Flex could be very successful and is when run correctly and intelligently
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I'm willing to bet I know the flex as well as anybody on here, and I like it OK as an offense. However, you have to tailor your scheme to your players, and the fact is that these guys don't run anything very well.

That's why, as I said, if I were pulling the strings, I'd give the ball to Hopson on the wing or Tyler at the FT line, put Chism on the block, and tell everybody else to get the hell out of the way and then crash the boards.

This is never going to be a disciplined, physical, screening and ball control team (which UT Pearl team has been?) which is what the Flex requires. So why try to put 5 round pegs in square holes?

 

[TennNC]

That's why, as I said, if I were pulling the strings, I'd give the ball to Hopson on the wing or Tyler at the FT line, put Chism on the block, and tell everybody else to get the hell out of the way and then crash the boards.

Amen, brother. Except I'd keep whomever is playing PG back on D.

The only time I'd take Wayne off the block is as a trailer on the break, b/c he's good for a trey every game if given a good look.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Thanks for the responses. I agree, Cotton. We seem to end up in the same sort of predicament on a number of possessions most every game: some useless passing around the horn, running down the shot clock, then being forced to take a low-percentage shot.

 

[BasketvolsFan]

Thanks for the responses. I agree, Cotton. We seem to end up in the same sort of predicament on a number of possessions most every game: some useless passing around the horn, running down the shot clock, then being forced to take a low-percentage shot.

This is the real problem with our offense in the half-court set. We run the flex without really looking for a shot until 12-10 seconds remain on the shot clock and then have to rely on one-on-one or a long three. The flex can be effective if run properly and effectively.

 

[BigPapaVol]

This is the real problem with our offense in the half-court set. We run the flex without really looking for a shot until 12-10 seconds remain on the shot clock and then have to rely on one-on-one or a long three. The flex can be effective if run properly and effectively.

Our guards get forced about 40 feet from the bucket because they can't blow by anyone and we stand around constantly awaiting initiation of the offense. I've never seen a team stand around so much against a man.
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[dooleydiesel28]

I think next year we will be better than this year and next year we will run a 4 out 1 in offense with Kenny Hall down low and Goings-Golden, Scotty,Tobias, and Cameron up top. This year we need to just feed Wayne down low Dude is a man!
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[BigPapaVol]

I think next year we will be better than this year and next year we will run a 4 out 1 in offense with Kenny Hall down low and Goings-Golden, Scotty,Tobias, and Cameron up top. This year we need to just feed Wayne down low Dude is a man!
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Wow.
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[cotton]

Wow.
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What he said.

 

[Hardwood_fanatic]

What he said.

'I'm with you feller's."