Official Jon Gruden Thread XIV

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GmanTN said:
I have never asked anyone to hang onto the words I have said, I assure you or anyone else if you had heard what he heard from the people who said it, you would feel exactly as we do confused, perplexed and a wth just happened. Just like the guy Hargis (sp?) at the TFP being confident in his story and his sources, we were in ours as well.

I have said all I plan on about the "sources". I still would like to see Gruden as our next HC, he is the only big name out there that excites me.
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Gman,

Have you heard who may have been the culprit in derailing the Gruden deal?
 
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Coastypop said:
Thanks Boro.... I just moved up a little
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Good morning Grudes! Is it safe to come in? Trolls have been invading the castle. I just lurked for a while and it seems they got board. Coasty you back at 80%. I'm not giving up till they stroll someone else across to the podium.
 
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I know I have never seen a thread on here move at the pace this thread has on here. Leave for work be at page 25, come home and you would be on page 100.
 
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New member. I post on here occasionally. I am a UT Grad '91. Love my school and my football program. I have relocated to Atlanta for my career but am a season ticket holder. I was even in the desert for the National Championship game. I also have a very very close friend employed by the University, will keep position nameless. I have a problem with how everything has shaken out. I was informed by my close friend 2 weeks ago that our coach was secured. Imagine my happiness when he clued me to this. With all the info and source statements and major media press statements, it counters everything that i was told. I contact my friend yesterday and he says, "I really have no idea what is going on here, AD locking everyone out and getting conflicting information from high ups in this situation". I ask him if his statement a couple of weeks ago about us securing our new coach was still good? He tells me to "be patient and let this all work itself out, other factors must be allowed to take place before we can officially annouce our coach, that is all I can say, job security". I trust my friend, hell he was my best man at my wedding. So say what you want folks, but I think we have been given false information throughout this process to protect the parties and their situations. My friend has never been unreliable in the 30+ years we have known each other. As to who this coach is? He has never come out and given me the name, but you do your own math. I choose to believe its the coach I want, but who really knows. As a note, when i asked him about all the reports about this coach and his agents comments and our schools comments, he only stated that "has an official announcement from either party involved been released? or have these been reports, sources or agents (attorney) making these. Not trying to start a coup, just wanting my Vol family to try to stand fast. It Is GREAT TO BE A TENNESSEE VOL!!!!
 
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move on, Gruden is not coming. Time to real in the best HC we can get.....but not completely sold on all the names....but we gotta pick one....there's gotta be a big name that's now in the NFL, that came from college that's making less than 2mil....that would be a great fit and would love a pay raise to coach the Vols....HUM?
 
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volsfan30093 said:
move on, Gruden is not coming. Time to real in the best HC we can get.....but not completely sold on all the names....but we gotta pick one....there's gotta be a big name that's now in the NFL, that came from college that's making less than 2mil....that would be a great fit and would love a pay raise to coach the Vols....HUM?
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I believe there are a few good ones. Problem is: college football has become huge business therefore a lesser known name has very little chance. Just wait till he playoffs start and this business will be even more cut throat.
 
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VandyAlum Vol Fan said:
First let me say that I'm NOT trying to start an argument about UT vs Vandy, but here's my point. If UT doesn't make the right hire and turn things around pretty quickly I think they could be headed down a slippery slope that may take a generation or more to recover from. As it is today's recruits don't remember the 1998 NC and most don't even remember when TN was competitive. If this continues how long will it take for the same dynamics to apply to the fan base? Another "less than perfect" hire that can't create buzz and pull the recruits then the slide continues. How eager will the boosters be to continue pouring money into a sinking ship / company hemorrhaging cash and headed for bankruptcy? Things can't stay on the current trajectory or the Vols will become the Miss State, Kentucky, Old S.C. or Old Vandy of the SEC East. THIS HAS TO BE FIXED AND IT HAS TO BE FIXED NOW.
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I'm afraid we're about to become the Colorado of the SEC. Remember when they were good?
 
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govols10302bb said:
YES it is...gotta go to work ...I hope when Jon accepts the position as head coach at Tennessee. He says that this is his "FANTASY JOB". VB, GBO
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He was in a radio show and they asked him about tenn awile back, not sure when.or where. I can tell u it sounded to me like he would be very interested. It was posted here earlier i think. As in interested, he sounded giddy about it as in hell ya i woul take that job.(not his exact words)
 
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'Boro-vol said:
There are a lot if assumptions about what the OG's feel. Nobody has dropped off or slinked away.

BCarter is the only one I've seen distance himself from his sources or completely reverse his position.

My position is still firm but guarded. My information has not changed, and I still am trying to make sense if Fridays developments. One thing is certain, none if what happen adds up or passes the smell test. Until I'm told something different by those I trust, I'm still cautiously optimistic. I find it telling that we are still inside the original timeline that was expressed from the outset.

For those claiming we've disappeared from the thread.....I am seldom here much on the weekend. But I'm never far away. My life eats up my weekends....its much easier to post from work during the week.
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I wanted to address the Bcarter thing.... there is something in his posts that have been bothering me.

He said he was believing the OG's and I got the impression (I could be worng) the $$$ people in the past.
Now if you notice he says he is supporting theAD with this????

Does that not say exactly what the OG's have said all along? that the $$$$$$ wants Gruden and the AD does not..???

Carter also has stated several times that the boosters were not able to cash the check they were writting...who in here believes that????

Not an attack on Bcarter at all... he is solid IMO, but he has been clear he is standing with the AD... that is fine with me and others as well... As for me, my money has always been on the $$$$ people. Also what Slice said money was donated and held in an escrow account to pay Gruden but not returned???

I am begining to wonder if we may still have a shot at this????
 
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volsfan30093 said:
move on, Gruden is not coming. Time to real in the best HC we can get.....but not completely sold on all the names....but we gotta pick one....there's gotta be a big name that's now in the NFL, that came from college that's making less than 2mil....that would be a great fit and would love a pay raise to coach the Vols....HUM?
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Unless UT is prepared to spend 5-6 mil on a coach we are not getting Gruden or any big time coach. According to Slice, the supporting boosters earmarked the money for a particular coach (Gruden). That money was placed into the trust of a third party, an escrow of sorts if you will. That money has not been returned. To me that is very significant. It what Slice says is true, the deal was farther along than many think. I am still believing it's a possibility until someone else is introduced as our head coach. Or until Slice says the money has been returned.
 
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For some reason I really want a Tennessee guy for our coach. I suppose Kiffen is to blame for that, but someone like a Fulmer, but not Fulmer, would put my mind at ease. A big name is not all that matters, but they would be less likely to bolt in three or four years. The scary thing about a Strong would be what if he comes in and turns it around? Three years of success and we would be watching him on Sundays. I think that's why the Gruden obsession is easy to buy into, he just seems SO right for this job.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Unless UT is prepared to spend 5-6 mil on a coach we are not getting Gruden or any big time coach. According to Slice, the supporting boosters earmarked the money for a particular coach (Gruden). That money was placed into the trust of a third party, an escrow of sorts if you will. That money has not been returned. To me that is very significant. It what Slice says is true, the deal was farther along than many think. I am still believing it's a possibility until someone else is introduced as our head coach. Or until Slice says the money has been returned.
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They were ready to spend more ... I hear close to 7mil if it took it
 
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Volzilla said:
I've got a question...why is thread even still active? He's not coming, won't be coming, probably not close to coming, be it last week, today, tomorrow or next year. Like beating a dead horse to get up and walk...:horse:
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"Dead Horse Walking" - that should be the new name of this thread!

Look, I'm not going to try to persuade anyone to subscribe to the Macgruder theory, but it does offer a coherent explanation of events that lends itself to message board debate for those truly interested in debating - and isn't that why we're here?

Allow me to add one thought to expand upon Mr. Macgruder's position - return, if you will, to the Mike and Mike non-denial denial. I don't pretend to be an expert on football, football coaches, or football coach searches, but I do know a thing or two about preparing people for media interviews and Gruden's response to the questioning from M&M was a clanging wrong note in an otherwise believable symphony of speculation. That was the most inept, unprepared, and overtly disingenuous response from a seasoned media-type that I've ever heard. In short, it was the response of a person caught with his hand in the proverbial cookie jar.

If the idea of coaching the Vols was a "fantasy" as Gruden's agent would have us believe, then it would have been easy enough for Gruden to take that opportunity to set us all straight. He did not do so.

And, so, we are left with one irrefutable FACT: the only words we have from the man himself about whether he will be the one to lead the Vols back to football relevancy, were a stumbling collection of inconclusive babble. Ask yourself why, and then make the answer to that question the central factor around which you base your opinion.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Unless UT is prepared to spend 5-6 mil on a coach we are not getting Gruden or any big time coach. According to Slice, the supporting boosters earmarked the money for a particular coach (Gruden). That money was placed into the trust of a third party, an escrow of sorts if you will. That money has not been returned. To me that is very significant. It what Slice says is true, the deal was farther along than many think. I am still believing it's a possibility until someone else is introduced as our head coach. Or until Slice says the money has been returned.
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This supports my friends information that our coach was "secured" two weeks ago.
 
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Coastypop said:
I wanted to address the Bcarter thing.... there is something in his posts that have been bothering me.

He said he was believing the OG's and I got the impression (I could be worng) the $$$ people in the past.
Now if you notice he says he is supporting theAD with this????

Does that not say exactly what the OG's have said all along? that the $$$$$$ wants Gruden and the AD does not..???

Carter also has stated several times that the boosters were not able to cash the check they were writting...who in here believes that????

Not an attack on Bcarter at all... he is solid IMO, but he has been clear he is standing with the AD... that is fine with me and others as well... As for me, my money has always been on the $$$$ people. Also what Slice said money was donated and held in an escrow account to pay Gruden but not returned???

I am begining to wonder if we may still have a shot at this????
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I'll make this short and sweet..We still have a great chance to land Gruden..Don't stop believing,Coasty.:thumbsup:
 
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Coastypop said:
I wanted to address the Bcarter thing.... there is something in his posts that have been bothering me.

He said he was believing the OG's and I got the impression (I could be worng) the $$$ people in the past.
Now if you notice he says he is supporting theAD with this????

Does that not say exactly what the OG's have said all along? that the $$$$$$ wants Gruden and the AD does not..???

Carter also has stated several times that the boosters were not able to cash the check they were writting...who in here believes that????

Not an attack on Bcarter at all... he is solid IMO, but he has been clear he is standing with the AD... that is fine with me and others as well... As for me, my money has always been on the $$$$ people. Also what Slice said money was donated and held in an escrow account to pay Gruden but not returned???

I am begining to wonder if we may still have a shot at this????
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I think there is a big money guy that may not have Gruden at the top of his list.
 
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gatorhator4eva said:
He was in a radio show and they asked him about tenn awile back, not sure when.or where. I can tell u it sounded to me like he would be very interested. It was posted here earlier i think. As in interested, he sounded giddy about it as in hell ya i woul take that job.(not his exact words)
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Is this what you're talking about? It's from back in April. Listen from the 5:32 to 7:18.

ESPN Analyst Jon Gruden on WNML - YouTube
 
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