Official Jon Gruden Thread XIV

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They were ready to spend more ... I hear close to 7mil if it took it

I've heard those reports too. That's why I am having such a hard believing this deal is dead. We may be in the middle of a huge disinformation campaign. The leaked deal was supposedly was 5.5 for Jon and 4.5 for assistants for a total of 10. I can't imagine the reported hangup was money for assistants. Also, does everyone remember the reporter out of Memphis that claimed we had an offer on the table that he described as something along the lines of "Mind Boggling "? Now I realize that 5.5 mil is a lot of money but it is on par with Saban and other elite coaches. In that context I wouldn't call it mind boggling.
 
I will say if this truly a mis-direction it is the PLOY of the century, one that would make JR EWING PROUD!!! GO VOLS!!:rock:
 
I am not discrediting Bcarter at all.... I understand the risk he took and is taking and I am completely greatful. He is a solid poster!

The fact that he did put his job on the line with his information about Gruden, and knowing that the Ad wants the Gruden deal dead...says a mouthful to me.

I do not Blame Bcarter or discredit him at all...but what I am saying is he has changed to Now saying the Boosters wrote a check they could not cash... I DOUBT THAT IS THE CASE...

Depending on which boosters, there's no check they can't write or cash. All I know, If we end up with a POS coach, I hope those boosters hang Hart from the Neyland scoreboard!!
 
The question for UT is whether it wants to even the playing field with Alabama. There is only one coaching hire that does that immediately.

Every other coach on here (whether it be Strong, Fisher, etc.) falls short of Saban. Gruden would immediately be in the same stratosphere.

We all know that, and that is why it is so hard for us to let go.

The AD wanting this DAED is a good choice of words... when something/someone dies it is always hard to let go... But I never bury until I know they are dead. NEVER
 
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I am not discrediting Bcarter at all.... I understand the risk he took and is taking and I am completely greatful. He is a solid poster!

The fact that he did put his job on the line with his information about Gruden, and knowing that the Ad wants the Gruden deal dead...says a mouthful to me.

I do not Blame Bcarter or discredit him at all...but what I am saying is he has changed to Now saying the Boosters wrote a check they could not cash... I DOUBT THAT IS THE CASE...

Imo the check they wroth they couldn't cash dealt with structural and administrative aspects with the university that they have no control over. In no way do I mean money just clearing that up. It sounded that way and should have said "they made promises about procedural things with the university that athletic boosters cannot control" as opposed to the check cashing analogy.
 
Exactly. Also, listen to anytime UT is brought up in any interviews and then compare to Mike and Mike. I'm not going to be thrown off the trail that easy! After all look at my avatar!

Then Grudens "idiot kicker" runs his mouth and goes over the top to deny, i mean "Fantasy world" really?
 
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I am not discrediting Bcarter at all.... I understand the risk he took and is taking and I am completely greatful. He is a solid poster!

The fact that he did put his job on the line with his information about Gruden, and knowing that the Ad wants the Gruden deal dead...says a mouthful to me.

I do not Blame Bcarter or discredit him at all...but what I am saying is he has changed to Now saying the Boosters wrote a check they could not cash... I DOUBT THAT IS THE CASE...

Don't think the Boosters check verbage was about real money. Have you tried to press your friend (CH) for anymore info? His thoughts could be enlightening.
 
Imo the check they wroth they couldn't cash dealt with structural and administrative aspects with the university that they have no control over. In no way do I mean money just clearing that up. It sounded that way and should have said "they made promises about procedural things with the university that athletic boosters cannot control" as opposed to the check cashing analogy.

That does make more sense to me... I was thinking you were referring to the actual money... my bad:redface:
 
Macgruder... I read you hypothesis, good post,
continually bring attention to yourself and that is kinda
but who and what are you promoting here? you annoying to some..:eek:hmy:


Sadly, and I know it won't come off as anything but unflattering, I'm promoting to stop listening to the OGs. The main "thesis", if you will, of my whole thread is that the story is too big, and got too hot, that you seriously can't trust anyone at this point (I guess that includes myself).

Even the people with similar mindsets as my own, regarding Gruden, I see rushing back for any/every word that the OGs will say, which again without smearing them are often vague and need multiple postings to even get a true sense of, when in reality - it's reached the point that what they're suggesting is no longer believable. We can either believe (most) of them and that Gruden was the guy from the start, and things went up to the point that he was nearly signed, but something killed it - (yet still we're being strung along with a tiny amount of hope without any substantial reason as to why other than, again, vague, remarks about battles between nameless AD members, boosters, and Hart)....

Or, you can believe the theory that a few others and myself share that this was the plan all along (and, initially what I believed several of the OGs to believe as well). I don't want to take credit for it, as it's not self-promoting. This is obviously a new-account, and will disappear if this hire doesn't happen. But, I want people who come on these forums to look for "inside" information to do just that - look "inside" if you will - your own rationality, your own thoughts to the media we turn to when we often know they're simply money-puppets for the people that pay them. I feel like some theories I've worked over the last couple of days, mixed with some theories of a few other solid posters have painted a pretty decent narrative of the most likely way this situation has gone, and will go, assuming Gruden is a possibility.

To me, it's much more believable than last-minute squabbles between millionaires over pennies in assistant-staff salaries, control issues in a division that has Nick Saban and Les Miles in pack, or a guy that just figured out 3 days ago that the college game may be too much for him, as he polishes his Super Bowl ring and laughs at the NFL offers he's rejected since 2008.

Again, I may come off as self-serving, but I'm just a Grudenite. I wasn't even an account a week ago. I just want to push my theory, that I believe is sound, onto other folks who still believe in the same thing as me - but who might be clouded up in all the smokescreening and hooplah that has come out, directly for that reason, over the last two days. If they like what I'm claiming, great. If not, throw it back. No harm, no foul.

And actually, thank you Coasty, for even pulling that card on me. I didn't make my initial post to garner any real kind of attention, rather just make a blanket statement of the last 5-6 posts I've made in these Gruden threads, but since you've mentioned it, and the feedback I've gotten, it has gotten to my head a little. I am human, and I will definitely try to tone that back. Like I said, I'm only after the truth in all this - no heroism, no "I told you so's", no "your sources were wrong!", just an opportunity to cut through some of the BS and try to guess to what's really happening.
 
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Morning Vm14..... hangover?

Nah, I was allover the place yesterday and was tired as hell so I slept in. Just finished breakfast and on my third cup of coffee so I'm gettin woken up. Looks like its gonna be a pretty nice day too. How you doin Coasty?
 
Can someone please explain to me, analytically, what Gruden said to Mike and Mike, when asked about the rumors to Tennessee?

Please then convince me that the whole deal was bullshlt.
 
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Don't think the Boosters check verbage was about real money. Have you tried to press your friend (CH) for anymore info? His thoughts could be enlightening.

Strong was the last I heard... but he gotten somewhat silent as if he were told to silence it.... I believe (unlike others) that the AD is still on lockdown... I hope to talk to him Monday...Don't know if in town...Lex may know

Wish I could be more encouraging
 
Nah, I was allover the place yesterday and was tired as hell so I slept in. Just finished breakfast and on my third cup of coffee so I'm gettin woken up. Looks like its gonna be a pretty nice day too. How you doin Coasty?

Doing well ... hit the bottom with this Gruden deal... but slowly coming out of the funk
 
Someone here wanted a former Vol as head coach. If you want one with experience, then the only two I can think of are Fulmer and Randy Sanders. Do you want either of them?
 
I think this will come to a head quickly. If we don't have a new coach by Friday, I think it very well could still be Gruden. My confidence is very low that it will happen but I think the longer this goes the chances go up. If you believe some folks in the media that Hart has his man it should be announced mid week. JMO
 
Doing well ... hit the bottom with this Gruden deal... but slowly coming out of the funk

Same here dude! I'm not 100% off the Grutrain and hoping it can still happen but no where near as positive as I was. To many inconsistencies and unknowns to say its totally dead.
 
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