Officiating, and why bias may work for us

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I watched the whole Duke/Baylor game and I was not surprised but was frustrated by the many calls that Coach K got. Here is an "the earth is not flat" type statement that if you disagree with you should not read further:

Certain coaches and their teams are always more likely to have a huge gambling following and get more calls on a regular basis.

Those teams right now (in no particular order) include Kansas, North Carolina, Michigan State, Duke, Syracuse, UConn and Kentucky.

The group maybe should be expanded by a few teams, but the group above all clearly are part of the "we get more than 50% of the calls" status. Also like Dwayne Wade in the NBA finals a few years back, there are certain players who are given lots of extra calls and lots of extra leeway as they travel and palm and push with their off arm etc. Generally you can expect the teams above to have at least one player like that. Tyler Hansborough seemed to be an exception (I saw lots of no calls where he was hammered) but generally guys with lots of publicity who the refs know are superstars get the calls.

Tennessee in my lifetime has had one player who merited superstar status and maybe got some extra calls, and that was Allan Houston. Chris Lofton was never given that respect by officials.

Often people cry about officiating bias and want neutrality. It is never going to happen. You will not have a game called equally as long as you have human and not robot refs. I think that just as politicians who strip minority rights from the other party find, hoping for neutrality is not something TN fans should be rooting for.

I believe Bruce Pearl will be in Knoxville when he is 60. I believe that he is going to build us into a program that
1. by the name on the jersey gets the second most calls in the SEC and that
2. has more superstar players than most of the teams we play.

If we get top talent in place and we become adept at full court press and halfcourt defense (the latter being something Pearl seems to have taken a step forward with this year as a coach) TN will have lots and lots of fans jump on our bandwagon to see the dunks and the three pointers. We will also attract gamblers who love our ability to create turnovers.

Kentucky fans look like idiots when they complain about 3 bad calls against them when they had 9 go their way. TN is still on the pointy side of the referee screw most of the time, but the program is very close to being one of the programs that gets the breaks. I think Tobias Harris could be a player who gets lots of calls to go his way next year, and I think McRae and Golden could be active perimeter defenders who get steals that might involve some contact as the ball is taken.

Let's recognize that bias is a fact, but let's hope for a time in the next 5 years when Bruce Pearl is a coach who cries to the ref and gets help instead of a technical.
 
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I don't disagree with the premise, that certain coaches/teams get calls that others don't, but I have no idea why you posted a few hundred more words after that premise was established.
 
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I watched the whole Duke/Baylor game and I was not surprised but was frustrated by the many calls that Coach K got. Here is an "the earth is not flat" type statement that if you disagree with you should not read further:

Certain coaches and their teams are always more likely to have a huge gambling following and get more calls on a regular basis.

Those teams right now (in no particular order) include Kansas, North Carolina, Michigan State, Duke, Syracuse, UConn and Kentucky.

The group maybe should be expanded by a few teams, but the group above all clearly are part of the "we get more than 50% of the calls" status. Also like Dwayne Wade in the NBA finals a few years back, there are certain players who are given lots of extra calls and lots of extra leeway as they travel and palm and push with their off arm etc. Generally you can expect the teams above to have at least one player like that. Tyler Hansborough seemed to be an exception (I saw lots of no calls where he was hammered) but generally guys with lots of publicity who the refs know are superstars get the calls.

Tennessee in my lifetime has had one player who merited superstar status and maybe got some extra calls, and that was Allan Houston. Chris Lofton was never given that respect by officials.

Often people cry about officiating bias and want neutrality. It is never going to happen. You will not have a game called equally as long as you have human and not robot refs. I think that just as politicians who strip minority rights from the other party find, hoping for neutrality is not something TN fans should be rooting for.

I believe Bruce Pearl will be in Knoxville when he is 60. I believe that he is going to build us into a program that
1. by the name on the jersey gets the second most calls in the SEC and that
2. has more superstar players than most of the teams we play.

If we get top talent in place and we become adept at full court press and halfcourt defense (the latter being something Pearl seems to have taken a step forward with this year as a coach) TN will have lots and lots of fans jump on our bandwagon to see the dunks and the three pointers. We will also attract gamblers who love our ability to create turnovers.

Kentucky fans look like idiots when they complain about 3 bad calls against them when they had 9 go their way. TN is still on the pointy side of the referee screw most of the time, but the program is very close to being one of the programs that gets the breaks. I think Tobias Harris could be a player who gets lots of calls to go his way next year, and I think McRae and Golden could be active perimeter defenders who get steals that might involve some contact as the ball is taken.

Let's recognize that bias is a fact, but let's hope for a time in the next 5 years when Bruce Pearl is a coach who cries to the ref and gets help instead of a technical.

No way in Hell that happens.
 
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Pearl does not need to lose in the NBA, he is not going to Iowa and he is now a cultural fit for Knoxville (he started off much less in love with the place than he is now).

Explain why there is no way he is here in 10 years? He will have unlimited money if he keeps moving forward, and he has the 4th highest attendance, he has no shadow to step out from because he is the greatest coach in the programs history.

Maybe I should not ask you to explain. There are those still posting on here who guaranteed he would not be here in 3 years after his hire.

He does not need the Pump brothers to find him another job now, he is happily married, he is settled in, he has close friends and he is experiencing success on the recruiting trail (something he was not sure was possible when he missed 5 times on a PG and had to take a drug dealing murderer).
 
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Pearl does not need to lose in the NBA, he is not going to Iowa and he is now a cultural fit for Knoxville (he started off much less in love with the place than he is now).

Explain why there is no way he is here in 10 years? He will have unlimited money if he keeps moving forward, and he has the 4th highest attendance, he has no shadow to step out from because he is the greatest coach in the programs history.

Maybe I should not ask you to explain. There are those still posting on here who guaranteed he would not be here in 3 years after his hire.

He does not need the Pump brothers to find him another job now, he is happily married, he is settled in, he has close friends and he is experiencing success on the recruiting trail (something he was not sure was possible when he missed 5 times on a PG and had to take a drug dealing murderer).

There are jobs that he would leave for in a heartbeat.

And if you don't believe that, you are even more ignorant than I first thought you were.
 
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Pearl does not need to lose in the NBA, he is not going to Iowa and he is now a cultural fit for Knoxville (he started off much less in love with the place than he is now).

Explain why there is no way he is here in 10 years? He will have unlimited money if he keeps moving forward, and he has the 4th highest attendance, he has no shadow to step out from because he is the greatest coach in the programs history.

Maybe I should not ask you to explain. There are those still posting on here who guaranteed he would not be here in 3 years after his hire.

He does not need the Pump brothers to find him another job now, he is happily married, he is settled in, he has close friends and he is experiencing success on the recruiting trail (something he was not sure was possible when he missed 5 times on a PG and had to take a drug dealing murderer).

Coaches can't choose the players that they recruit?! What memo did I miss?

EDIT: I like Bruce Pearl, but that is just an insane statement to make.
 
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I don't disagree with the premise, that certain coaches/teams get calls that others don't, but I have no idea why you posted a few hundred more words after that premise was established.

Izzo did not get the calls his 5th year at a major program.

Pearl is building something special and eventually referee bias will work in our favor.

Asheville is a very pretty city. Wish it was not further away because of the rock slides.
 
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Duke did not get a lot of calls tonight. I hate how people say that. It's utter junk. The Baylor guards hand checked Scheyer and Smith the entire game, and it was called twice... TWICE. There were no phantom calls in that game... either side. I felt like a lot of stuff went uncalled ... both sides. It was an incredibly physical game. The fouls called were legit fouls.
 
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Coaches need talent to win. When everyone who is talented with good character says "no thanks" you are left with Ramar Smith.

That has been discussed mutliple times.

Pearl was all over Ramar and bragged about getting him when others would not even sniff him.

It's not like he didn't know what Ramar was capable of.
 
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Sshh, don't tell the Pearlophile sheep.

Can't stupid terms like that go away now? We just made our first Elite Eight, we left everything on the floor, and we have a solid recruiting class coming in.

Right now, Bruce's approval rating should be at 100%. If not, then good grief, somebody needs to find another program, b/c apparently UT isn't good enough.
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Pearl may also have reevaluated now the kind of guys he wants in the program. Tyler was like a son to him and he took his demise very hard.

Pearl himself is now more Eddie Gran and less Ed Orgeron. Good for him, good for the program, good for the kind of kids we can have from the time they get here until they graduate or leave for the NBA without fighting or getting arrested or getting the boot.
 
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Pearl may also have reevaluated now the kind of guys he wants in the program. Tyler was like a son to him and he took his demise very hard.

Pearl himself is now more Eddie Gran and less Ed Orgeron. Good for him, good for the program, good for the kind of kids we can have from the time they get here until they graduate or leave for the NBA without fighting or getting arrested or getting the boot.

Does Eddie Gran have photos of you naked or something?
 
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LF,
I would think that you would embrace Pearl moving away from guys like R Smith. People on here including you said he could not coach halfcourt D. You were dead wrong. Now you must accept reality. Another part of reality is that Pearl is happier, more comfortable in Knoxville, more committed to staying here and focused on recruiting kids who will not embarrass him. You can focus on the past or you can recognize the present and be excited about the future. You will be doubly unemployed both in real life and as a guy who likes to come on a TN basketball message board and take shots at an incredibly successful coach, but that is just the way things happen. There are plenty of job openings for realistic TN basketball fan who realized that Bruce Pearl is the greatest coach in our programs history.
 
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I can go for the idea that some teams/players get fewer calls against them. Everybody knows refs sometimes call what they expect to see (as opposed to what's there). I think the Dukes and KY's of the world benefit from that a lot of times b/c refs expect this legendary team w/ the high-profile coach to be the better of the 2 teams on the floor.
That said, I think teams that play hard get screwed a lot of times b/c they go so relentlessly. A player who is really digging will draw the ref's eye more often than the one who appears to play effortlessly.
In our case, I think there's another dynamic as well. I think we were operating under an undeserved thug reputation b/c of "the incident." Refs expected to see us playing dirty and fouling, so, as I noted above, they called what they expected to see.
 
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LF,
I would think that you would embrace Pearl moving away from guys like R Smith. People on here including you said he could not coach halfcourt D. You were dead wrong. Now you must accept reality. Another part of reality is that Pearl is happier, more comfortable in Knoxville, more committed to staying here and focused on recruiting kids who will not embarrass him. You can focus on the past or you can recognize the present and be excited about the future. You will be doubly unemployed both in real life and as a guy who likes to come on a TN basketball message board and take shots at an incredibly successful coach, but that is just the way things happen. There are plenty of job openings for realistic TN basketball fan who realized that Bruce Pearl is the greatest coach in our programs history.


You missed a lot during your Sabbatical.

Also, if Pearl continues to coach the way he did this year than we will be fine. I have said it multiple times, but will say it again because you can't quite comprehend it the first 200 times. I want Bruce to be successful here.

It's funny that he had his most success when he scrapped the garbage he was known most for.
 
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He was a good man who left the toxic cess pool our frat house/football coaching staff was.

Successful and high integrity, guess I should not be surprised you dislike him also.

Yet he was all but begging to be on the staff to start with.
 
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He was a good man who left the toxic cess pool our frat house/football coaching staff was.

Successful and high integrity, guess I should not be surprised you dislike him also.

I guess Jimbo Fisher is going have a toxic cesspool as well when Gran leaves for TTU next year.
 
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As far as I know Jimbo is not a philandering alky with a recreational drug use issue.

Could be wrong, but I have heard good things about him as a human being. He is also not a guy who thinks spending time with your family means press conferences trotting them out and then ignoring them the rest of the year.
 
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Damn. Both MHF and Marc Maggard "MM" return to the site the same week, after extended absences. What a way to rain on the elite 8 parade.

Oh well.

HF
 
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