Offseason Thread: 2012 reimagined

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Yes. It's the offseason. We all know.

Let's say Dooley hires someone other than Sunseri in '12. This coach produces an average to above average defense.

1.) How many games do we win?
2.) Do we beat any of our big three rivals (UF, UA, UGA)...?
3.) Does Patterson step into the Heisman conversation? Where does he finish?
4.) Is Dooley still our head coach?
 
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I want to relive every bad moment of my life


Like the time I got my nuts caught in a bicycle chain trying to ride like an Indian shooting arrows at pale face
 
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UTodd01 said:
Yes. It's the offseason. We all know.

Let's say Dooley hires someone other than Sunseri in '12. This coach produces an average to above average defense.

1.) How many games do we win?
2.) Do we beat any of our big three rivals (UF, UA, UGA)...?
3.) Does Patterson step into the Heisman conversation? Where does he finish?
4.) Is Dooley still our head coach?
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You're going to get flamed for this, but I like the "what if" game, so I'll play along.

1.) We won five with the worst defense in the history of ever (exaggeration, but only slightly). Therefore, I think it's safe to safe we win AT LEAST 4 more games, but probably 5 more.
2.) We wouldn't have beaten Alabama. That much I'm sure of. I do think we would have won 3 out of 4 of UF, UGA, SC and Mizzou. We would have also beat Vandy.
3.) Patterson would have been talked about, but would have just been top 20-25, IMO. He was a special player, but the offense was great in part because of him, not strictly because of him.
4.) Dooley would still be the coach, but probably not after this season. Now that all the negative stories have come out about how he destroyed recruiting relationships and couldn't keep a handle on the locker room, I feel safe saying that after winning with Bray and friends, our record would have fallen off about as fast as Chizik's 3rd year.


Glad our defense sucked. Everything happens for a reason.
 
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UTodd01 said:
Yes. It's the offseason. We all know.

Let's say Dooley hires someone other than Sunseri in '12. This coach produces an average to above average defense.

1.) How many games do we win?
2.) Do we beat any of our big three rivals (UF, UA, UGA)...?
3.) Does Patterson step into the Heisman conversation? Where does he finish?
4.) Is Dooley still our head coach?
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It's not the off-season anymore, it's practice week.
 
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dooley2 said:
You're going to get flamed for this, but I like the "what if" game, so I'll play along.

1.) We won five with the worst defense in the history of ever (exaggeration, but only slightly). Therefore, I think it's safe to safe we win AT LEAST 4 more games, but probably 5 more.
2.) We wouldn't have beaten Alabama. That much I'm sure of. I do think we would have won 3 out of 4 of UF, UGA, SC and Mizzou. We would have also beat Vandy.
3.) Patterson would have been talked about, but would have just been top 20-25, IMO. He was a special player, but the offense was great in part because of him, not strictly because of him.
4.) Dooley would still be the coach, but probably not after this season. Now that all the negative stories have come out about how he destroyed recruiting relationships and couldn't keep a handle on the locker room, I feel safe saying that after winning with Bray and friends, our record would have fallen off about as fast as Chizik's 3rd year.


Glad our defense sucked. Everything happens for a reason.
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Thanks for a real response.

I personally think CP would have finished pretty high in Heisman voting if we won 10 with a 'moment' against a big rival.
 
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dooley2 said:
You're going to get flamed for this, but I like the "what if" game, so I'll play along.

1.) We won five with the worst defense in the history of ever (exaggeration, but only slightly). Therefore, I think it's safe to safe we win AT LEAST 4 more games, but probably 5 more.
2.) We wouldn't have beaten Alabama. That much I'm sure of. I do think we would have won 3 out of 4 of UF, UGA, SC and Mizzou. We would have also beat Vandy.
3.) Patterson would have been talked about, but would have just been top 20-25, IMO. He was a special player, but the offense was great in part because of him, not strictly because of him.
4.) Dooley would still be the coach, but probably not after this season. Now that all the negative stories have come out about how he destroyed recruiting relationships and couldn't keep a handle on the locker room, I feel safe saying that after winning with Bray and friends, our record would have fallen off about as fast as Chizik's 3rd year.


Glad our defense sucked. Everything happens for a reason.
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I agree almost wholeheartedly with this. I think we win the east and are the at large for a bcs from the SEC. I also think bray either gets drafted mid round, or stays for his senior year, which honestly, even on a terrible team, could've swung several games or records.

But I don't think Dooley would've lasted more than 3 more years, barring turning a senior bray led team to a bowl as well giving him maybe one more year.

I'm not mad Dooley is gone, but I still wish we'd have beaten Florida.
 
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CountVolcula said:
I want to relive every bad moment of my life


Like the time I got my nuts caught in a bicycle chain trying to ride like an Indian shooting arrows at pale face
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Ouch! That hurts just reading it.

Mine would be either getting my hand caught in a lawn mower or he11 day in bootcamp.
 
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UTodd01 said:
Thanks for a real response.

I personally think CP would have finished pretty high in Heisman voting if we won 10 with a 'moment' against a big rival.
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It's dumb. We don't win 4 or 5 more games. Yep sunseri sucked but so did the personnel. Maybe two more at best
 
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With a different DC in 2012, Tennessee would have been the most hygienic football team in 2013.
 
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Daloth said:
I agree almost wholeheartedly with this. I think we win the east and are the at large for a bcs from the SEC. I also think bray either gets drafted mid round, or stays for his senior year, which honestly, even on a terrible team, could've swung several games or records.

But I don't think Dooley would've lasted more than 3 more years, barring turning a senior bray led team to a bowl as well giving him maybe one more year.

I'm not mad Dooley is gone, but I still wish we'd have beaten Florida.
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I don't think Bray would have been eligible for '13.

Maybe Hunter and CP would have stayed and made a difference.
 
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The '13 defense proved that coaching was only a huge problem in '2012, as opposed to the only problem.

UT goes to a bowl without Sunseri, but they don't compete for the East. That's some serious pie in the sky nonsense.
 
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bamawriter said:
The '13 defense proved that coaching was only a huge problem in '2012, as opposed to the only problem.

UT goes to a bowl without Sunseri, but they don't compete for the East. That's some serious pie in the sky nonsense.
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We won 5 games with literally the worst defense in the 118 year history of Tennessee football. Luckily, our offense (passing game anyway) was one of the best in the country or we would have been looking at 1 or 2 wins.

I don't think a 5 game swing is out of the realm of possibility which would have put us at 10 wins and most definitely in the East conversation.
 
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bamawriter said:
The '13 defense proved that coaching was only a huge problem in '2012, as opposed to the only problem.

UT goes to a bowl without Sunseri, but they don't compete for the East. That's some serious pie in the sky nonsense.
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We would have easily been 9-3 with a decent d coordinator and you know it. Bama would have been a loss no matter what. Did you even watch the GA, SC or Mizzou games that year? If not troll somewhere else.
 
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bamawriter said:
The '13 defense proved that coaching was only a huge problem in '2012, as opposed to the only problem.

UT goes to a bowl without Sunseri, but they don't compete for the East. That's some serious pie in the sky nonsense.
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The SC, UGA and Mizzou games came down to game winning drives that we failed to complete. We were THAT close to beating those three teams with one of the worst defenses ever.

At the time of the Vandy game, we had only won 4 games, so it's my belief that if we had won 8 or 9, then the team might actually have tried to win that game. I'm not so sure that Dooley didn't throw in the towel before either.

The Florida game that year snowballed pretty quickly because our defense was horrible. We were up by 7 midway through the 3rd with a horrible defense. That game could have easily had a different outcome.

Yes, we had a loser as a head coach, but we had one of the best offenses in the nation with a pretty good offensive coordinator. If you couple that with even an average defense, things could have changed drastically.

Think about that offense for a second...

QB - Tyler Bray (on an NFL roster)
WR - Cordarelle Patterson (a playmaker in the NFL)
WR - Justin Hunter (already a decent NFL receiver)
WR - Da'rick Rogers (has played in the NFL)
TE - Michel Rivera (Contributing in the NFL)
OL - Juwuan James (1st round pick in the NFL)
OL - Tiny Richardson (currently on an NFL roster)
OL - Zach Fulton (3rd round pick in the NFL)
OL - James Stone (currently on an NFL roster)
RB - Raijion Neal (currently on an NFL roster)
 
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I agree with the other posters.......why these subjects?....who cares?, what purpose does it serve? always ask yourself this queston: Should I do it at all?
Live in the future instead of the past.......especially when the past is UT's coaching changes.
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
I agree with the other posters.......why these subjects?....who cares?, what purpose does it serve? always ask yourself this queston: Should I do it at all?
Live in the future instead of the past.......especially when the past is UT's coaching changes.
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Then in all fairness to the OP, we shouldn't talk about our favorite plays or games attended either, because those are in the past.
 
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