Ohio State and West Virginia

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jakez4ut

jakez4ut

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watched these two games last night...both offenses very different from each other, and the defenses, well OSU is pretty impressive, WVU, well, they did enough...but there were a few things about the offenses that i just thought were outstanding.

1st Ohio St. Troy Brown is the real deal and Teg Ginn...where was he all year??? TB throws a great looking ball, and has "it". Good tocuh, nice accuracy and he can fire it in there pretty well too...and all w/out a true running game, minus a couple of big plays. I was just very impressed. I look at the way they played on offense, it looked crisp and fluid. If i were trying to get someone to visualize what i wanted the offense to look like, i would show plays from that game.

2nd, WVU...wow. that Pat White....i watched the Pitt/WVU game and he did the same thing, but i had no clue that he could do that against a d like UGA's. THAT was UM's spread offense. THAT's what Utah looked like with Alex Smith at the helm last year...that's what UF's offense will look like eventually, and that's UF atheletes, not WVU atheletes. Defenses are going to have to play smart, not fast, to beat that kind of attack when it's run right. How many times did Pat White get a first down on a qb run, where he simply fell forward 3 yards past the 1st down marker? UGA looked completely confused.

Imagine though for a minute that UT has won the SEC, playing in the Sugar bowl agains a Big East, aka Big Least, team and we lose? can you imagine the fall out from that debacle....? i wonder if there are any UGA fans wondering about Richt today? he got out coached in every phase you can get out coached in. so much for coach of the year???
 
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I am sure that the Dawg fans are not happy with what happened but at the same time they won the SEC and their bowl game meant nothing. They showed up, they got paid, no one who is really important to the team or who has NFL prospects was seriously injured. I'm sure the W.Va fans will make hay of beating the SEC Champs for years to come but beyond that I doubt anyone will care about the 2006 Sugar Bowl a week from now.
 
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For those SEC Fans that don't think the "spread option" scheme will not work or can't work in this league...beware! Just review the UGA & WVA game & bear in mind UGA owns UT. It can & will work w the right personnel.

And worse yet, it appears UM is getting ALL the RIGHT personnel he needs! On the other hand UT is barely getting anyone!
 
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I had a feeling this would happen with the spread in the SEC.

Just remember one play this season. Tennessee at Florida. Urban Meyer runs a double reverse for a (20 yard?) touchdown. Tennessee's defenders went way too fast, overcomitted and UF just blew right by for an easy 6. I think this will be symbolic of the new defensive shift in the SEC, and if Florida gets the spread working, that will be the catalyst. Like jakez said, defenses are going to have to worry about playing smart instead of playing fast.
 
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(milohimself @ Jan 3 said:
I had a feeling this would happen with the spread in the SEC.

Just remember one play this season. Tennessee at Florida. Urban Meyer runs a double reverse for a (20 yard?) touchdown..
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Yeah, that's just about the only play that worked too. It's not like that offense ran all over us. Tennessee imploded, UF didn't explode.
 
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(milohimself @ Jan 3 said:
I know. But that play seemed representative of what I think will happen.
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Well maybe, but I look at the double reverse as more of a trick play than a stellar play from a stellar offense. I can just about guarantee you that if they would've run that play again, it would have gone for a loss.
 
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(RealVol @ Jan 3 said:
For those SEC Fans that don't think the "spread option" scheme will not work or can't work in this league...beware! Just review the UGA & WVA game & bear in mind UGA owns UT. It can & will work w the right personnel.

And worse yet, it appears UM is getting ALL the RIGHT personnel he needs! On the other hand UT is barely getting anyone!
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Nobody, I mean nobody, owns UT. :lolabove:
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ Jan 3 said:
I am sure that the Dawg fans are not happy with what happened but at the same time they won the SEC and their bowl game meant nothing. They showed up, they got paid, no one who is really important to the team or who has NFL prospects was seriously injured. I'm sure the W.Va fans will make hay of beating the SEC Champs for years to come but beyond that I doubt anyone will care about the 2006 Sugar Bowl a week from now.
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i disagree...i think most would like to forget it in a week, but people will talk about that for a while, esp. Big East fans....and seriously, what kind of fall out would you expect if that had been TN in that game? UGLY!!!!!

Fact is, that win by WVU was HUGE in more ways than one. They didn't beat an SEC at large team, they be the SEC Champ. for all the criticism the Big East has taken about not deserving a BCS bid etc....that made a HUGE statement to the rest of the country. And when you look at it, the SEC was plain average in Bowls this year...South Carolina, Georgia, Auburn all lost, and that AUB/UGA losses look bad as far as i'm concerned. Bama won an Ugly game...knuckle ball over the goal post??? yeah, they were dominating....D is very good, Offense is uhguhly. Florida and LSU though did shine some light on the conf.

but on the whole, the SEC looks pretty bad right now....and rightfully so....
 
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The lessons to be learned from Ohio State are not what you saw against Notre Dame. The offensive explosion by Ohio State was an aberration of their style of play.

Jim Tressel's teams are based on:

1.) Defense
2.) Field Position
3.) Solid Special Teams
4.) Excellent Kicking Game-He would rather kick field goals all day! Just trust me....!
5.) No Turnovers.
 
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Yep. He takes care of all that stuff first then opens it up. Considering the last few years, you will not find a better-coached team than Jim Tressel's Buckeyes in the second half of the season. Now if only they weren't so slow to start, they could have beaten Texas!
 
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Well I didn't see all of the Penn St / Fl St game last night but special teams is the only thing that kept the seminoles in the game from what I saw. Special teams play can make a big difference in keeping less than stellar offensive teams in the game.
 
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The double reverse UF pulled out proves nothing about that offense.

The fact that UGA made maybe 4 or 5 good plays against that offense proves that UGA just wasn't prepared.

Defending the option, any kind of option, is assignment football. UGA would have gotten smoked by alot of teams the other night the way they were playing d.
 
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(OrangeEmpire @ Jan 4 said:
The lessons to be learned from Ohio State are not what you saw against Notre Dame. The offensive explosion by Ohio State was an aberration of their style of play.

Jim Tressel's teams are based on:

1.) Defense
2.) Field Position
3.) Solid Special Teams
4.) Excellent Kicking Game-He would rather kick field goals all day! Just trust me....!
5.) No Turnovers.
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U forgot one Empire

RAW SPEED
 
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Ironic those that say NOBODY OWNS UT, posts a photo of SOS in his message.

True enough no body (NOT EVEN UT OWNS VANDERBILT) owns anybody. But indeed some coaches certainly have a better record against UT / Fulmer than others.

Meyers:
Spurrier:
Richt:
Weiss:
Thanks goodness we hit LSU & L M when we did:
 
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I tell you what....there's not a single UGA item hanging out windows, flying in the wind, sitting in the yard or anything. I'm in the heart of Dawg country and it's nice to have silence here for a change. I know I was supposed to root for the SEC but it was sooooo sweet to see them have their rears handed to them. What was funny is seeing them down by ten and the UGA crowd was going nuts. People, you were down 28-0 to a Big East school.....this was a home game.....you were favored....you had a better team.....no reason at ALL to be excited.

As for UGA fans calling for Richt, give it a few days. The fans are still hiding under rocks around here. Once they come out the grumbling will begin.
 
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(OrangeEmpire @ Jan 4 said:
The lessons to be learned from Ohio State are not what you saw against Notre Dame. The offensive explosion by Ohio State was an aberration of their style of play.

Jim Tressel's teams are based on:

1.) Defense
2.) Field Position
3.) Solid Special Teams
4.) Excellent Kicking Game-He would rather kick field goals all day! Just trust me....!
5.) No Turnovers.
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I don't disagree wtih any of that, but you can't ignore what they did on offense...it was very impressive, and Troy SMITH, was dead on....he looked great.
 
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(volmanjr @ Jan 4 said:
Well I didn't see all of the Penn St / Fl St game last night but special teams is the only thing that kept the seminoles in the game from what I saw. Special teams play can make a big difference in keeping less than stellar offensive teams in the game.
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special teams wound up costing both of them in the end...too many missed feild goals...both lost shots at winning that game late and in overtime...a very ugly game all totaled up.
 
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I don't disagree wtih any of that, but you can't ignore what they did on offense...it was very impressive, and Troy SMITH, was dead on....he looked great.
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I will not argue with their offensive production. In my opinion there is no reason that Ohio State shouldn't score over 40 points a game. That is not Tressel football.

Tressel football is kicking 6 field goals and only allowing 6-10 points game on defense.

Or for that matter letting the defense score touchdowns.
 
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(NCGatorBait @ Jan 4 said:
Guys, I didn't think the spread option would work in the SEC? :devilsmoke: :wavey:
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It just won't work for UF :biggrin2:
 
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