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VolBeef88

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You all like to talk about how the great coaches are animated and are tough during the game. Your using our new BB coach (and I like him alot and am darn glad we have him) as an example. So I will use another BB coach who is considered the greates of all time. John Woodedn NEVER, EVER acted like what you guys are talking about. I am by no means calling CPF in Woodens class just pointing out that there is more to coaching than hollering and screaming. CPF is a very good coach. Firing him would make UT a bigger laughing stock than Ole Miss is now because of getting rid of Cut. Each coach has there own technique. CPF is low keyed on the sideline for the most part.
 
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(VolBeef88 @ Jan 23 said:
You all like to talk about how the great coaches are animated and are tough during the game. Your using our new BB coach (and I like him alot and am darn glad we have him) as an example. So I will use another BB coach who is considered the greates of all time. John Woodedn NEVER, EVER acted like what you guys are talking about. I am by no means calling CPF in Woodens class just pointing out that there is more to coaching than hollering and screaming. CPF is a very good coach. Firing him would make UT a bigger laughing stock than Ole Miss is now because of getting rid of Cut. Each coach has there own technique. CPF is low keyed on the sideline for the most part.
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No, Wooden just had a mobster, Sam Gilbert, buy him the best talent in the country and quietly told any officials who didn't call things his way that he would make sure they didn't work in the then Pac 8 ever again. Yeah, Wooden was a saint.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Jan 23 said:
No, Wooden just had a mobster, Sam Gilbert, buy him the best talent in the country and quietly told any officials who didn't call things his way that he would make sure they didn't work in the then Pac 8 ever again. Yeah, Wooden was a saint.
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Where in my post did I call him a saint? The comment was about how different coaches have different styles. In football there was a guy who you might have heard of who coached the Dallas Cowboys who had the same style on the sideline. In fact CPF is alot more animated than Tom Landry was. How about Tom Osborn? The fact is you guys do not like CPF. That is fine. You have that right. But to think he should be fired after (no matter how many times you say different) a bad year is crazy talk. Last year we finished below expectations. The year before well above expectations.
 
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I agree that a coaches intensity does not always have to manifest itself thru frantic sideline actions or with explosive fits of ra ra cheerleading. Comparing Fulmer to Pearl is wrong on many levels especially the fact that basketball is more of a fluid sport than the stop start game that is college football therefore it lends itself to a more passionate vocal style of coaching. Football with its constant stops and change of personnel does not lend itself to that style of fiery coaching, I think Pearl would have a stroke if he had to keep that intensity up for a 3 hour game. I myself I am a soccer coach and Ive noticed myself that passion and intensity is not something you can always control, it depends on the game situation, your personality and just everyday things. To me Fulmer is just a quiet guy and completely introvert compared to Pearl but being introvert does not hamper your ability to coach. I have to say though everybody looks introvert compared to Bruce Pearl.
 
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(FenianVol @ Jan 23 said:
I agree that a coaches intensity does not always have to manifest itself thru frantic sideline actions or with explosive fits of ra ra cheerleading. Comparing Fulmer to Pearl is wrong on many levels especially the fact that basketball is more of a fluid sport than the stop start game that is college football therefore it lends itself to a more passionate vocal style of coaching. Football with its constant stops and change of personnel does not lend itself to that style of fiery coaching, I think Pearl would have a stroke if he had to keep that intensity up for a 3 hour game. I myself I am a soccer coach and Ive noticed myself that passion and intensity is not something you can always control, it depends on the game situation, your personality and just everyday things. To me Fulmer is just a quiet guy and completely introvert compared to Pearl but being introvert does not hamper your ability to coach. I have to say though everybody looks introvert compared to Bruce Pearl.
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Oh no a Soccer coach agreed with me.
 
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(VolBeef88 @ Jan 23 said:
You all like to talk about how the great coaches are animated and are tough during the game. Your using our new BB coach (and I like him alot and am darn glad we have him) as an example. So I will use another BB coach who is considered the greates of all time. John Woodedn NEVER, EVER acted like what you guys are talking about. I am by no means calling CPF in Woodens class just pointing out that there is more to coaching than hollering and screaming. CPF is a very good coach. Firing him would make UT a bigger laughing stock than Ole Miss is now because of getting rid of Cut. Each coach has there own technique. CPF is low keyed on the sideline for the most part.
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I don't care what he acts like on the sidelines as long as he gets it done. It does bug me that when stupid mistakes are made repeatedly, you don't see him getting in a player's face. I have accepted that is his coaching style however. But what really bugs me is the lack of SEC championships. This program should be bringing home an SEC championship at least once every five years. Its been 7 years without one.
 
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(VolBeef88 @ Jan 23 said:
Where in my post did I call him a saint? The comment was about how different coaches have different styles. In football there was a guy who you might have heard of who coached the Dallas Cowboys who had the same style on the sideline. In fact CPF is alot more animated than Tom Landry was. How about Tom Osborn? The fact is you guys do not like CPF. That is fine. You have that right. But to think he should be fired after (no matter how many times you say different) a bad year is crazy talk. Last year we finished below expectations. The year before well above expectations.
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Sorry about that, Wooden is right there with Adolph Rupp and Lute Olson as names that set off an attack switch in my head. I've been honest on this board. I don't like Fulmer. I think he's a sanctimonious rube. However, I've never thought that he needed to be more emotional. A coach can't try to take on a persona that doesn't fit. If you're not fiery, you shouldn't try to fake it.
 
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i have to disagree beef. fulmer i believe did a pretty good job from 93-98, but since he really hasn't accomplished any thing and he let our offense slide to where it doesn't exist anymore. fulmer should have made offensive coaching changes in 03 instead of worrying about a raise. fulmer is to blame for tennessee's problems in there football program. hiring cut was a step in the right direction, but in my opinion he made it to late and it will probably cost him his job this year. fulmer in the last 5 years has been anything but a good coach he held the team back, or you can say he let sanders hold the team back, but they are one of the same.
 
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(VolBeef88 @ Jan 23 said:
You all like to talk about how the great coaches are animated and are tough during the game.
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Using that as a parameter of how good a coach is, is so beyond ridiculous it isn't even worth discussing.

But for the sake of rebutting such idiocy I'll mention 3 names.

John Wooden, Tom Landry, and Vince Lombardi. Sometimes the players had to put a mirror under Landry's nose to see if he was still breathing.

All 3 had similar sideline/courtside demeanors as Fulmer.

What a silly notion.
 
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(OldVol @ Jan 23 said:
Using that as a parameter of how good a coach is, is so beyond ridiculous it isn't even worth discussing.

But for the sake of rebutting such idiocy I'll mention 3 names.

John Wooden, Tom Landry, and Vince Lombardi. Sometimes the players had to put a mirror under Landry's nose to see if he was still breathing.

All 3 had similar sideline/courtside demeanors as Fulmer.

What a silly notion.
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How in the world can anyone compare Fulmer to Lombardi, Wooden, and Landry thats ridiculous. He couldnt be the waterboy for there teams for goodness sakes. But he sure could do alot of this :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
 
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(MemphisVol @ Jan 23 said:
Bea Arthur's heinie, with a Rush Limbaugh tatoo, covered in slug slime
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Me too, Memphis . . . . Me too. :D
 
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(bleedingorange @ Jan 23 said:
How in the world can anyone compare Fulmer to Lombardi, Wooden, and Landry thats ridiculous. He couldnt be the waterboy for there teams for goodness sakes. But he sure could do alot of this :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
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Reading For Comprehension: There are some books out that can help you, but for now, you'll maybe just go back and see that my comparison was for DEMEANOR.

Now, that doesn't mean he was de meaner coach, it means; behavior towards others, outward manner.

Don't expect me to be pulling out Webster's for you any more. :D
 
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(OldVol @ Jan 23 said:
Reading For Comprehension: There are some books out that can help you, but for now, you'll maybe just go back and see that my comparison was for DEMEANOR.

Now, that doesn't mean he was de meaner coach, it means; behavior towards others, outward manner.

Don't expect me to be pulling out Webster's for you any more. :D
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:moon2: :moon2: :moon2: :moon2: :moon2: :moon2: :moon2: :moon2: :moon2: :moon2: Is there a definition in the Websters for that :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2:
 
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(bleedingorange @ Jan 23 said:
:moon2: :moon2: :moon2: :moon2: :moon2: :moon2: :moon2: :moon2: :moon2: :moon2: Is there a definition in the Websters for that :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2:
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You won't need a dictionary for that. Just go look in the mirror.






Sorry man, that was just too easy.
 
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Stepping away from specificity, I do think that fired up coaches tend to get more out of less talent. It is almost as if they have to get that way to convince their boys that they can accomplish the task.

Pat Hill, Rick Pitino with some of his lesser teams, and most recently BP. These are but a few examples.

Sometimes this is just smoke in mirrors, but IMO when a coach has lessor talent it behooves them to parade the sidelines like a mad man. A person with my personality type enjoys that, but not everyone responds. Things generally work best, even with young men, if a coach stays true to himself. Kids can sniff insincerity very well.

Overall a calm coach can often lessen the embarrassment factor for the school they represent. All that said, a coach must remain true to his/her nature to be most effective.
 
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(Lexvol @ Jan 23 said:
Stepping away from specificity, I do think that fired up coaches tend to get more out of less talent. It is almost as if they have to get that way to convince their boys that they can accomplish the task.

Pat Hill, Rick Pitino with some of his lesser teams, and most recently BP. These are but a few examples.

Sometimes this is just smoke in mirrors, but IMO when a coach has lessor talent it behooves them to parade the sidelines like a mad man. A person with my personality type enjoys that, but not everyone responds. Things generally work best, even with young men, if a coach stays true to himself. Kids can sniff insincerity very well.

Overall a calm coach can often lessen the embarrassment factor for the school they represent. All that said, a coach must remain true to his/her nature to be most effective.
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Players, like coaches have differing personalities. For every player who responds to an in-your-face type, there's another who crawls in his shell and is turned off by it. Type As and type Bs respond differently.

All in all, what you said is right. Be true to your personality. No one likes a phony.
 
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(GAVol @ Jan 23 said:
You won't need a dictionary for that. Just go look in the mirror.
Sorry man, that was just too easy.
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:biggrin2: :birgits_giggle: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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i have had some sour words for our extra crispy leader, BUT i think that everyone will be puckering up big to his extra large posterior by the end of the season.


national championship here we come.
 
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