OK CPF bashers

[bleedingorange]

BUT i think that everyone will be puckering up big to his extra large posterior by the end of the season.

Sorry my friend never ever in my lifetime will that ever happen :bad: :bad: :bad: :bad:

 

[CSpindizzy]

Well when you're underperforming and playing crap ball, handclapping does little to motivate the players. Maybe a little rearchewing boot camp style will instill some passion and pride. Maybe Fulmer needs to make more comments about puking in buckets.

 

[CSpindizzy]

i think that everyone will be puckering up big to his extra large posterior by the end of the season.
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You go right ahead. I'll be sitting in the bandwagon with the engine running.

 

[checkerboard_charly]

You go right ahead. I'll be sitting in the bandwagon with the engine running.

lol: lol: lol: lol: lol:

it was an expression guys. comeon have some fun

 

[CSpindizzy]

lol: lol: lol: lol: lol:

it was an expression guys. comeon have some fun

I was....couldn't you tell? Or should I have used sheep or kool aid in lieu of bandwagon?

 

[RealVol]

Back to orginal post here. In case some here haven't noticed, the "kids" are a bit different now vs. 30-35 years ago. I loved the style, class, calmness, and gentlemenly fashion MR. Wooden coached with. I'm not sure that gentle style would penetrate some of the knuckleheads skulls we all see everyday.

Sad but true...

 

[jakez4ut]

Back to orginal post here. In case some here haven't noticed, the "kids" are a bit different now vs. 30-35 years ago. I loved the style, class, calmness, and gentlemenly fashion MR. Wooden coached with. I'm not sure that gentle style would penetrate some of the knuckleheads skulls we all see everyday.

Sad but true...

I agree, but you can also make the arguement that they don't want the ultra disciplinarian either....

bottom line is you have to be who you are, someone stated it earlier, CPF would lose more respect if he suddenly tried to change his personality at the whim of what someone thought he should do...consistency, in most cases, is a good thing. to be in a position he is in, good or bad, people can spot a phony a mile away.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Well with the loudmouthed, trashtalking rolemodels these kids have to look up to as well as the need to look to the future and the almighty dollar, they tend to lose focus on playing for the team they are on in the present and play for that day. They're too busy thinking about the shiny rims and bling and winning that Super Bowl a few years into the Pros. Pearl manages to mentally slap the kids in the present and focus on playing for UT for the now. They're more focused on winning the game that day than playing against Kobe or Shaq.

 

[biganbad]

I like Fulmer and he has done a great job at UT except for 1 year. Do we remember our records before CF became head coach. We will be in the top ten before next season is over. He will continue to win here, Im glad he is our coach.

 

[VolBeef88]

i have to disagree beef. fulmer i believe did a pretty good job from 93-98, but since he really hasn't accomplished any thing and he let our offense slide to where it doesn't exist anymore. fulmer should have made offensive coaching changes in 03 instead of worrying about a raise. fulmer is to blame for tennessee's problems in there football program. hiring cut was a step in the right direction, but in my opinion he made it to late and it will probably cost him his job this year. fulmer in the last 5 years has been anything but a good coach he held the team back, or you can say he let sanders hold the team back, but they are one of the same.

Your right and your wrong. CPF is responsible for the performance of the team. But to say he has not done a good coaching job means that he and UT did not exceed expectaions in 04. It is hard for anyone to say that. We won the east and beat a big time school in a big bowl when we were picked to finish 3 or 4 in the SEC east.

 

[VolBeef88]

Using that as a parameter of how good a coach is, is so beyond ridiculous it isn't even worth discussing.

But for the sake of rebutting such idiocy I'll mention 3 names.

John Wooden, Tom Landry, and Vince Lombardi. Sometimes the players had to put a mirror under Landry's nose to see if he was still breathing.

All 3 had similar sideline/courtside demeanors as Fulmer.

What a silly notion.

If I had said that you would be correct. However your not as I was talking about coaching styles not ability. Landry and Wooden were very subdued on the sideline/courtside. However Lombardi was very animated. Just how old are you? But I agree that how a coach acts on the side is not an indicator of how good or bad he is. That was the point of this thread. So many on here have griped that CPF is dead on the sideline and does not get in players faces. I was pointing out that some of the very best of all time did not do it either.

 

[JasonCajun]

Your right and your wrong. CPF is responsible for the performance of the team. But to say he has not done a good coaching job means that he and UT did not exceed expectaions in 04. It is hard for anyone to say that. We won the east and beat a big time school in a big bowl when we were picked to finish 3 or 4 in the SEC east.

I would hardly call Texas A&M's program at the moment "big-time".

 

[VolBeef88]

How in the world can anyone compare Fulmer to Lombardi, Wooden, and Landry thats ridiculous. He couldnt be the waterboy for there teams for goodness sakes. But he sure could do alot of this :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

Again B.O. I was comparing styles, not abiilties. And yes the styles of Landry and Wooden were subdued. Lombardi however was not.

 

[VolBeef88]

Stepping away from specificity, I do think that fired up coaches tend to get more out of less talent. It is almost as if they have to get that way to convince their boys that they can accomplish the task.

Pat Hill, Rick Pitino with some of his lesser teams, and most recently BP. These are but a few examples.

Sometimes this is just smoke in mirrors, but IMO when a coach has lessor talent it behooves them to parade the sidelines like a mad man. A person with my personality type enjoys that, but not everyone responds. Things generally work best, even with young men, if a coach stays true to himself. Kids can sniff insincerity very well.

Overall a calm coach can often lessen the embarrassment factor for the school they represent. All that said, a coach must remain true to his/her nature to be most effective.

I have 2 words for you about roaming the sideline like a mad man. Ed Orgeron. enuff said!

 

[jakez4ut]

yeah, you have to take the good and bad together....not saying there isn't any bad...Lord knows there is, but you can't discount the good job he's done as well.....and i think that's more in line with the difference in this arguement....those that don't like Fulmer at all, don't think he's ever really done a good coaching job, and those that fall in to the category like myself and Volbeef, try to see years like 04 for what the were, and it just so happens, it was a very good year, coaching wise.

How we followed it up with such a crappy season, well, it was a very bad year, coaching wise. and you could definitely go back to eariler seasons like 2000 and 2002 and see where this all started....even in 03, which wasn't a terrible year, but you could tell that all wasn't right....

But just as i do that i also have to look at 93-99 and say, OK, he's been there before, let's see if he can do it again.

The big difference from that time period to this, is when he took over, it was in pretty darn good shape when he got here....now, 14 years, later, it's time to do a little rebuilding...something he's never had to do....the true definition of CPF as a coach will come out good or bad over the next couple of years....he'll either be a hero or goat, but he gets the shot to prove which....

 

[VolBeef88]

Well when you're underperforming and playing crap ball, handclapping does little to motivate the players. Maybe a little rearchewing boot camp style will instill some passion and pride. Maybe Fulmer needs to make more comments about puking in buckets.

how about in 2004 against the Gators with our kicker? remember? When he missed the FG what happened? CPF told the kid calm down and get your act together becuase he was going to win the game for us. Wilhoit has said that when CPF told him that ALL the pressure was relieved and he was calm when he went out to win the game. So it all depends on the player.

 

[VolBeef88]

I would hardly call Texas A&M's program at the moment "big-time".

Then why were they the Favorites in the Cotton Bowl? Before this season Reggie Mcniel was the media darling and was going to be a dark horse for the Heisman. They too were down this year but last year they were the Cotton Bolw favorites. That is a fact.

 

[jakez4ut]

this coaching style debate is pointless as it all depends on the person being coached...personally, i do not like CPF's style, but it has worked in the past for certain players at certain times, as was described earlier about Jason Whitten....that is a perfect example of when CPF is at his best.

Personally i like the get in your face style, but that doesn't mean that's what should be on the sideline at UT.

there are extremes on both ends of that spectrum...you got the bobby knights and Bill parcells of the world, and then you have the Dick Vermiels and CPF's of the world....both can be successfull, both can be pitiful failures as well....

the issue is does the player respect the coach, and buy in to what he's trying to get done? that's the true mark of a good coach, not how much or how little he yells, claps, throws his visor or whatever....

 

[VolBeef88]

this coaching style debate is pointless as it all depends on the person being coached...personally, i do not like CPF's style, but it has worked in the past for certain players at certain times, as was described earlier about Jason Whitten....that is a perfect example of when CPF is at his best.

Personally i like the get in your face style, but that doesn't mean that's what should be on the sideline at UT.

I too like the get in our face type. But it is hard for me to look at the facts not emotion and come to the conclusion taht he is a bad coach. He is an old O lineman. As a former D player I hate O linemen as they are the biggest cheaters in the game of football. But most are very similar to CPF in demeanor.

 

[wncvolfan]

Using that as a parameter of how good a coach is, is so beyond ridiculous it isn't even worth discussing.

But for the sake of rebutting such idiocy I'll mention 3 names.

John Wooden, Tom Landry, and Vince Lombardi. Sometimes the players had to put a mirror under Landry's nose to see if he was still breathing.

All 3 had similar sideline/courtside demeanors as Fulmer.

What a silly notion.

Not arguing your point, only interjecting a comment. During all the Green Bay games I watched on TV while Lombardi was there, they very seldom put the camera on him so I don't know about then. However, I saw a game live in Atlanta (preseason) when he was coaching the Redskins. I made it a point to keep my binoculars on him as much as possible. The man was almost rabid that day. One instance in particular Gerry Smith caught a sideline pass and ran out of bounds instead of turning it upfield and I was actually afraid for Smith's life. I thought Lombardi was going to kill him. He ripped into him for at least 5 minutes waving his arms, ranting and pointing downfield. But maybe he was just having a bad day that day. I remember that the 'Skins won by a pretty hefty margin.

 

[VolBeef88]

Not arguing your point, only interjecting a comment. During all the Green Bay games I watched on TV while Lombardi was there, they very seldom put the camera on him so I don't know about then. However, I saw a game live in Atlanta (preseason) when he was coaching the Redskins. I made it a point to keep my binoculars on him as much as possible. The man was almost rabid that day. One instance in particular Gerry Smith caught a sideline pass and ran out of bounds instead of turning it upfield and I was actually afraid for Smith's life. I thought Lombardi was going to kill him. He ripped into him for at least 5 minutes waving his arms, ranting and pointing downfield. But maybe he was just having a bad day that day. I remember that the 'Skins won by a pretty hefty margin.

No. That was Lombardi to a TEE. I have watched a ton of NFL films and that was what he was all about. All coaches are people, and all people are different. Therefore one must accept the fact that coaches will be different. I do prefer the more animated style. But I cannot accept that CPF is not a good coach as the facts do not bare it out. He has over achieved and underachieved. If he continues to underachieve then he should be replaced. Until then I say let's back the ball coach.

 

[patrick]

What Pearl has that Fulmer does not is intensity. I could care less about style it is intensity. Fulmer lost his intensity a few years back!!!!!

 

[VolBeef88]

What Pearl has that Fulmer does not is intensity. I could care less about style it is intensity. Fulmer lost his intensity a few years back!!!!!

Well that's your opinion. I don't agree.

 

[patrick]

I dont know what you were watching or seeing on Phil's face the last few years but I saw bewilderment and confusion, not intensity.

 

[JasonCajun]

I see complacency.

I want to see hunger, intensity, desire to win, loathing of losing, the will to get better even when things are going okay, the ability to stay ahead of the competition.