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Oklahoma name banned from postseason?
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Nope Oklahoma can't use sooners either, Sooners were the ones who stole the land from the indians. The people who got there sooner won the land. hense the name.
Red men + got their sooner's. Which is worse?
The NCAA needs to move out of Indianapoilis also since indianapolis means home of the indian. Can't go to Indiana though.
Red men + got their sooner's. Which is worse?
The NCAA needs to move out of Indianapoilis also since indianapolis means home of the indian. Can't go to Indiana though.
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Well, if I'm not mistaken, Tennessee is a Cherokee name.
Are we in violation?
We wouldn't want to scar any sensitive nerves.
I know how traumatized I was growing up, always having to hear about the Fighting Irish.
My family was so discriminated against when they first came to America in the early 1800s that they had to drop the O' from the first part of our name because it identified my ancestors as Irish. Those were the days when signs were in almost every window, "Irish need not apply."
I'm still waiting for reparations from Notre Dame. They haven't gotten back with me as yet, but I'm still hopeful.
Are we in violation?
We wouldn't want to scar any sensitive nerves.
I know how traumatized I was growing up, always having to hear about the Fighting Irish.
My family was so discriminated against when they first came to America in the early 1800s that they had to drop the O' from the first part of our name because it identified my ancestors as Irish. Those were the days when signs were in almost every window, "Irish need not apply."
I'm still waiting for reparations from Notre Dame. They haven't gotten back with me as yet, but I'm still hopeful.
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I know how traumatized I was growing up, always having to hear about the Fighting Irish.
My family was so discriminated against when they first came to America in the early 1800s that they had to drop the O' from the first part of our name because it identified my ancestors as Irish. Those were the days when signs were in almost every window, "Irish need not apply."
I'm still waiting for reparations from Notre Dame. They haven't gotten back with me as yet, but I'm still hopeful.
Same with my relatives. But there is a huge difference between the two examples.
Notre Dame was founded at a period when the need of missionaries was pressing and located in a centre of missionary activity, its aid in the spread of Catholicism in the North-West was strong.
Notre Dame has its athletic teams known as the Fighting Irish. Exactly where and how Notre Dame's athletic nickname came to be never has been perfectly explained. One story suggests the moniker was born in 1899 with Notre Dame leading Northwestern 5-0 at halftime of a game in Evanston, Illinois. The Wildcat fans supposedly began to chant, "Kill the Fighting Irish, kill the Fighting Irish," as the second half opened. Another tale has the nickname originating at halftime of the Notre Dame-Michigan game in 1909. With his team trailing, one Notre Dame player yelled to his teammates - who had names like Dolan, Kelly, Glynn, Duffy and Ryan - "What's the matter with you guys? You're all Irish and you're not fighting worth a lick." Notre Dame came back to win the game and the press, after overhearing the remark, reported the game as a victory for the "Fighting Irish."
The most generally accepted explanation is that the press coined the nickname as a characterization of Notre Dame athletic teams, their never-say-die fighting spirit and the Irish qualities of grit, determination and tenacity. The term likely began as an abusive expression tauntingly directed toward the athletes from the small, private, Catholic institution.
A few sources have the original NL Boston team as the "Red Stockings," others list them as the "Red Caps." At any rate, they apparently wore something red. During the 1906-1907 seasons the label "Tenneys" was often used in the newspapers, in reference to manager Fred Tenney. A change in ownership brought "Doves" to replace "Beaneaters" in 1907. That makes sense, because the new ownerr was named John S. C. Dovey. Thank goodness he wasn't John Crapper. In 1911 the team was again sold, this time to William H. Russell, and fans began calling the team "Rustlers" in his honor. After Russell died, the name seemed in poor taste, so new team leadership decided to play on Boston's famous Tammany Hall and call the team "Braves." It's a long story, but trust us, the term "Braves" had something to do with Tammany Hall. Fresh ownership in 1936 chose "Bees" from more than 1,300 entries as a new nickname. Of course, no one likes to be called the "Bees" for long and the team stunk, so they went back to Braves by the mid-1940s, and have been so named since.
So Notre Dame has everything to do with Irish and Catholics and the Atlanta Braves has nothing to do with Native Americans but with Tammany Hall.
As a genre of commodified symbols, the collection of Blackhawks, Braves, Chiefs, Chieftains, Indians, Moccasins, Mohawks, Redmen, Redskins, Savages, Seminoles, and Warriors that dot the sport landscape are part of a much larger group of signifiers that have been used since the late 1890s to inspire brand name recognition and product loyalty among consumers.8 Pipe smokers light up with 'Red Chief' tobacco". In the late 19th century the requirements of mass production and mass commodification called for the use of identifying marks or labels that had the capacity to attract consumers to products while simultaneously instilling a level of consumer trust.
Characteristic of the era, "The discourse of commerce, advertising, and the law of trademark projected images of barbarism, conquest, and servitude to construct the subject positions of mass consumer and American citizen.
At the same time when all of these names were prduced for team names the Native Americans were getting stripped of all of their land. WHEN PEOPLE CAME UP WITH THESE NAMES THEY WERE NOT HONORING ANYONE. The names are gimicks along with the mascots and if the Native Americans would like the names changed than it should be done.
Mascots and Geographic regions are two totally different things. Have you ever drove into a state and on the welcome to sign you see Indian Caractures having a pow wow. At least Native American words used to name towns and states have a historical story to it. Native American Mascots were created to sell.
Give me your picture and I will photo shop it putting you in stupid, funny, and humiliating positions. I will then use it to sell hats and post them all over the internet.
By the way, Native American children are the highest percentage of kids living in poverty. I bet they are super honored by having caractures and sport teams named after them. Along with every other thing that has happened to their people.
My family was so discriminated against when they first came to America in the early 1800s that they had to drop the O' from the first part of our name because it identified my ancestors as Irish. Those were the days when signs were in almost every window, "Irish need not apply."
I'm still waiting for reparations from Notre Dame. They haven't gotten back with me as yet, but I'm still hopeful.
Same with my relatives. But there is a huge difference between the two examples.
Notre Dame was founded at a period when the need of missionaries was pressing and located in a centre of missionary activity, its aid in the spread of Catholicism in the North-West was strong.
Notre Dame has its athletic teams known as the Fighting Irish. Exactly where and how Notre Dame's athletic nickname came to be never has been perfectly explained. One story suggests the moniker was born in 1899 with Notre Dame leading Northwestern 5-0 at halftime of a game in Evanston, Illinois. The Wildcat fans supposedly began to chant, "Kill the Fighting Irish, kill the Fighting Irish," as the second half opened. Another tale has the nickname originating at halftime of the Notre Dame-Michigan game in 1909. With his team trailing, one Notre Dame player yelled to his teammates - who had names like Dolan, Kelly, Glynn, Duffy and Ryan - "What's the matter with you guys? You're all Irish and you're not fighting worth a lick." Notre Dame came back to win the game and the press, after overhearing the remark, reported the game as a victory for the "Fighting Irish."
The most generally accepted explanation is that the press coined the nickname as a characterization of Notre Dame athletic teams, their never-say-die fighting spirit and the Irish qualities of grit, determination and tenacity. The term likely began as an abusive expression tauntingly directed toward the athletes from the small, private, Catholic institution.
A few sources have the original NL Boston team as the "Red Stockings," others list them as the "Red Caps." At any rate, they apparently wore something red. During the 1906-1907 seasons the label "Tenneys" was often used in the newspapers, in reference to manager Fred Tenney. A change in ownership brought "Doves" to replace "Beaneaters" in 1907. That makes sense, because the new ownerr was named John S. C. Dovey. Thank goodness he wasn't John Crapper. In 1911 the team was again sold, this time to William H. Russell, and fans began calling the team "Rustlers" in his honor. After Russell died, the name seemed in poor taste, so new team leadership decided to play on Boston's famous Tammany Hall and call the team "Braves." It's a long story, but trust us, the term "Braves" had something to do with Tammany Hall. Fresh ownership in 1936 chose "Bees" from more than 1,300 entries as a new nickname. Of course, no one likes to be called the "Bees" for long and the team stunk, so they went back to Braves by the mid-1940s, and have been so named since.
So Notre Dame has everything to do with Irish and Catholics and the Atlanta Braves has nothing to do with Native Americans but with Tammany Hall.
As a genre of commodified symbols, the collection of Blackhawks, Braves, Chiefs, Chieftains, Indians, Moccasins, Mohawks, Redmen, Redskins, Savages, Seminoles, and Warriors that dot the sport landscape are part of a much larger group of signifiers that have been used since the late 1890s to inspire brand name recognition and product loyalty among consumers.8 Pipe smokers light up with 'Red Chief' tobacco". In the late 19th century the requirements of mass production and mass commodification called for the use of identifying marks or labels that had the capacity to attract consumers to products while simultaneously instilling a level of consumer trust.
Characteristic of the era, "The discourse of commerce, advertising, and the law of trademark projected images of barbarism, conquest, and servitude to construct the subject positions of mass consumer and American citizen.
At the same time when all of these names were prduced for team names the Native Americans were getting stripped of all of their land. WHEN PEOPLE CAME UP WITH THESE NAMES THEY WERE NOT HONORING ANYONE. The names are gimicks along with the mascots and if the Native Americans would like the names changed than it should be done.
Mascots and Geographic regions are two totally different things. Have you ever drove into a state and on the welcome to sign you see Indian Caractures having a pow wow. At least Native American words used to name towns and states have a historical story to it. Native American Mascots were created to sell.
Give me your picture and I will photo shop it putting you in stupid, funny, and humiliating positions. I will then use it to sell hats and post them all over the internet.
By the way, Native American children are the highest percentage of kids living in poverty. I bet they are super honored by having caractures and sport teams named after them. Along with every other thing that has happened to their people.
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It is so hard to take you obviously heart felt comments seriously with a picture of a toddler giving the finger in your avatar. Yes the treatment of the Indian was a terrible thing, so was slavery, but so is the fact that 25% of the people on Tenn Care in this state work for Wal-Mart and the thing that these 3 things have in common is that banning Mascots by the NCAA will not change any of them!! Niether will banning the Confederate flag. The political correct movement in this country is ridiculous! (BTW the Irish thing was sarcasm and another thing I'm part Native American myself , sorry about calling US Indians above)
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thats correct. I had a conversation with a huge sooner fan co-worker who was pickin at me about being a vols fan, albeit good natured ribbing. He remarked how orange is a color no one looks good in, has no word that rhymes with it, then finished off saying the nic 'volunteers' was silly. I replied calmly and cooly....ok...lets talk nicknames...Tennessee took theirs after being called for volunteers to fill ranks of soldiers to fight, by having far and away more volunteer than was asked for. Oklahoma got their nickname by settlers lined up waiting for a gun shot to race for free land. However they chose to ignore the rules and cheated by jumping the gun early. Then just smiled.
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