On Risk: Why I'm Anti-Gruden

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I'm sure this will get me absolutely crucified, but that's OK. Sometimes a contrarian view is necessary.

We think - but don't know - that Jon Gruden would be a great college coach. We assume:
  • That he could recruit (Although in the first couple of years, that's a pretty safe bet based on name alone. After that, you gotta win.)
  • That he could adapt to the college game, recruiting rules, the 20-hour rule, etc., etc., etc.
  • That his offense -- notoriously complex and never successfully implemented at the college level -- would work here
  • That he could build an all-star staff that, although filled with all-stars and big egos, would never clash or bolt for the NFL or other NCAA coaching jobs, and
  • That he'd be here for the long haul, and wouldn't bolt for Mack Brown's job, or an NFL gig, or back to the comfort of the broadcast booth.

We assume he could do all those things and be successful. And maybe we even have good reason for thinking that.

But what if we're wrong? What if he can't win here? What if he craps the bed with the lights on? What if 9-3 is his ceiling, and we just keep losing to Florida, Alabama and South Carolina/Georgia? What if he's more like Wannstedt than Saban?

Like it or not, those are very real possibilities. We might disagree about the likelihood of that happening, but we have to recognize that it's a possibility. If you don't, you're dealing with fantasy instead of reality.

If you ascribe any validity to the rumors, UT would be on the hook for something like $10-11M per year for the next six years for this coaching staff. If you think Dooley's $5M buyout was crippling, multiply it by five or six and then choke that down. That problem will be compounded by the fact that neither the University nor the mega-boosters will be as likely to go as deep into the well a second time.

The simple fact is that, if Gruden fails, the impact on Tennessee football would be utterly catastrophic. We'd be dealt a financial blow that we're simply not able to absorb. The people who say "Money is no object" never seem to be the people who actually have to find the money to make the program run. If we have to fire Gruden, when we go looking for our next coach, somebody like Dooley would be the ceiling, since we couldn't afford even a marginally big name. Plus, the perception would have to be "if Gruden can't succeed there, maybe no one can."

My point is this: Maybe Gruden would be wildly successful here. But hiring him under anything like the terms that have been reported here amounts to pushing all your chips to the center of the table -- putting the football program all in. I'm simply not ready to do that. We could hire a college-proven head coach and staff at something like half the annual cost, and on three- (rather than six-) year contracts. Their likelihood of success might be slightly lower than Gruden's (although I'd argue for some coaches, it's actually higher), but the consequences of making a bad hire are nowhere near as devastating.

That's my take. Flame away.
 
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It's easy to say this after you know its not happening.
 
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I think we were all in love with the idea of Gruden, me very much included. Now I know I'm trying to rationalize this but it's probably for the best because if it didn't work out, and nothinfnis certain, we would've been in an even worse position. Now I do want a damn good coach and not Sonny dykes, I definitely don't think this means we settle.
 
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I'm sure this will get me absolutely crucified, but that's OK. Sometimes a contrarian view is necessary.

We think - but don't know - that Jon Gruden would be a great college coach. We assume:
  • That he could recruit (Although in the first couple of years, that's a pretty safe bet based on name alone. After that, you gotta win.)
  • That he could adapt to the college game, recruiting rules, the 20-hour rule, etc., etc., etc.
  • That his offense -- notoriously complex and never successfully implemented at the college level -- would work here
  • That he could build an all-star staff that, although filled with all-stars and big egos, would never clash or bolt for the NFL or other NCAA coaching jobs, and
  • That he'd be here for the long haul, and wouldn't bolt for Mack Brown's job, or an NFL gig, or back to the comfort of the broadcast booth.

We assume he could do all those things and be successful. And maybe we even have good reason for thinking that.

But what if we're wrong? What if he can't win here? What if he craps the bed with the lights on? What if 9-3 is his ceiling, and we just keep losing to Florida, Alabama and South Carolina/Georgia? What if he's more like Wannstedt than Saban?

Like it or not, those are very real possibilities. We might disagree about the likelihood of that happening, but we have to recognize that it's a possibility. If you don't, you're dealing with fantasy instead of reality.

If you ascribe any validity to the rumors, UT would be on the hook for something like $10-11M per year for the next six years for this coaching staff. If you think Dooley's $5M buyout was crippling, multiply it by five or six and then choke that down. That problem will be compounded by the fact that neither the University nor the mega-boosters will be as likely to go as deep into the well a second time.

The simple fact is that, if Gruden fails, the impact on Tennessee football would be utterly catastrophic. We'd be dealt a financial blow that we're simply not able to absorb. The people who say "Money is no object" never seem to be the people who actually have to find the money to make the program run. If we have to fire Gruden, when we go looking for our next coach, somebody like Dooley would be the ceiling, since we couldn't afford even a marginally big name. Plus, the perception would have to be "if Gruden can't succeed there, maybe no one can."

My point is this: Maybe Gruden would be wildly successful here. But hiring him under anything like the terms that have been reported here amounts to pushing all your chips to the center of the table -- putting the football program all in. I'm simply not ready to do that. We could hire a college-proven head coach and staff at something like half the annual cost, and on three- (rather than six-) year contracts. Their likelihood of success might be slightly lower than Gruden's (although I'd argue for some coaches, it's actually higher), but the consequences of making a bad hire are nowhere near as devastating.

That's my take. Flame away.

GREAT points OP..

The last bullet point is right on the money. I, along with everyone else, would have loved to see Gruden just because of the excitement factor and the immediate recruiting advantage.

But if you look at the situation objectively (and for the long term), this is nowhere near a "destination" job for Gruden. We would have to deal with ongoing rumors of NFL teams courting him and he would very likely bolt for the first sweet opportunity at the next level.

He's always been an NFL guy and I think that's ultimately where his comfort level is. There are no guarantees with any hire, but I could see Gruden being Kiffin 2.0 and leaving us high and dry at the worst possible time.

I want a coach who loves the college game and who is committed to UT and who views this as a DESTINATION job.
 
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Fair enough. But I've been saying this among my friends for some time, and started composing this monstrosity earlier today, before the agent news broke.

Where were you when I was fighting with all the Grudenites using these very arguments? I could've used the back up.
 
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Agree with every single word. This 7+ million dollars a year for the coach alone is insane, plus the unprecedented cost of assistants. The majority of our fanbase is eager to bet the farm that a coaching staff can make a generation of kids known for planking and pouring vodka in their eyeballs , win championships consistently. I don't care who the coach is, they don't play the game and I can't understand taking this kind of risk when there are proven coaches that could be had for a third of this total cost.
 
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Where were you when I was fighting with all the Grudenites using these very arguments? I could've used the back up.

I've been admittedly hesitant to "argue" this point, since so much of what passes for discussion here is "OMG NOT A VFL GRUDDEN OR GTFO," you know?
 
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I don believe we're quite at the level where we need a pr move more than a proven cfb coach. 2, 3 coaches down the road and we're in the same situation then sure lets go glitz to get our name into the national spotlight but we're not there. When the Vols get to the point we have to move home games to Thursday night just to get in the spotlight, that's the time to call Mr Gruden
 
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Where were you when I was fighting with all the Grudenites using these very arguments? I could've used the back up.

it was useless to argue with them. You couldnt change their feeble minds if you have proof Gruden was the antichrist.
 
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Well I guess hiring Gruden would have been foolproof then.

din't say that nor even implied it and never thought he was coming. But as far a complex playbook UT already has one and use to run it. Gruden (to a lesser part), Al Saunders and Walt Harris were the architects of the UT playbook
 
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din't say that nor even implied it and never thought he was coming. But as far a complex playbook UT already has one and use to run it. Gruden (to a lesser part), Al Saunders and Walt Harris were the architects of the UT playbook

You're sort of making my point. You think Tennessee could implement Gruden's offense, but there's no way for you to know it with any kind of certainty. In fact, it would be more likely that it didn't happen than if it did. And if you bet your whole wad on an unsure and potentially unlikely proposition, chances are you're going to lose.
 

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