Open Primaries - What Say You?

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volinbham

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Lot's of good arguments for and against open primaries.

Where do you stand?

I'd say any registered voter should be allowed to vote in ALL primaries - that's right I said it.
 
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The pros and cons are powerful on both sides, I think I'm leaning towards seperate, how it is here. There leaves alot of room for funny business with an open primary, even more than there is now.
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With my f'd up idea people can screw with each other's primary so that the funny business is cancelled out (at least that's how it works in my head).
 
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volinbham said:
With my f'd up idea people can screw with each other's primary so that the funny business is cancelled out (at least that's how it works in my head).
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I just registered as a Republican with ACORN in Delaware and voted for a mentally disabled pagan, she didn't really win as much as I handed it to her.
 
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Since primaries are an institution of either party to choose their nominee for the general election, I am a huge advocate of closed primaries. If you are an independent you don't get to choose who the Dems or R's nominate. That is the privilege of each party. I don't want Libtards influencing who makes it out of my primary (McCain), just like they don't want R's influencing who makes it out of their primaries (Operation Chaos). Primaries are not a general election before the general election. They are the means by which each political party chooses their nominees.
 
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volinbham said:
With my f'd up idea people can screw with each other's primary so that the funny business is cancelled out (at least that's how it works in my head).
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True, but in areas like thr northeast, where there is at minimum a 3:2 ratio of D to R, there ends up being 2 liberals with minimal coordination.
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The problem we have in city elections here is that the GOP is a complete non-factor citywide. So they have a Democratic primary for something like Mayor and the winner of the Democratic Primary is a shoo in to win despite never having had to even pretend to campaign for GOP or Independent votes.
 
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Against it. Every time an O'Donell squeaks past an incumbent R, Beck will be on tv with a chalkboard proving that black folks are of Satan and that, adding just a few letters and taking away others, Obama is an anagram for "black Satan."
 
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lawgator1 said:
Against it. Every time an O'Donell squeaks past an incumbent R, Beck will be on tv with a chalkboard proving that black folks are of Satan and that, adding just a few letters and taking away others, Obama is an anagram for "black Satan."
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LG, its scary that I no longer can tell if you're being sarcastic or hysterical.
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volinbham said:
Lot's of good arguments for and against open primaries.

Where do you stand?

I'd say any registered voter should be allowed to vote in ALL primaries - that's right I said it.
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1. An argument could be made that the Founding Fathers, not believing in political parties and all, would likely agree with you.

2. Democrats would no more go for this than the PAC-11 / Big 11 / Texas +9 would be for instituting a playoff system. Why would they want to see an all SEC NCG 4 out of every 5 years? Wouldn't that then make what is already obvious to most (though obfuscated) nearly unavoidable?

It is the way it is for a reason - to always ensure a Democratic candidate, as a means of both parties to herd everyone into one of two (often equally foolish) known political positions, and to greatly inhibit the rise of a legitimate 3rd national party.

Everyone agrees with me. Or, they're stupid.
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lawgator1 said:
Against it. Every time an O'Donell squeaks past an incumbent R, Beck will be on tv with a chalkboard proving that black folks are of Satan and that, adding just a few letters and taking away others, Obama is an anagram for "black Satan."
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Just throwing the racist tag out, eh?

Are you a former member of the now defunct JournoList listserve?

You'd fit right in.
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GAVol said:
The problem we have in city elections here is that the GOP is a complete non-factor citywide. So they have a Democratic primary for something like Mayor and the winner of the Democratic Primary is a shoo in to win despite never having had to even pretend to campaign for GOP or Independent votes.
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Move.
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lawgator1 said:
Against it. Every time an O'Donell squeaks past an incumbent R, Beck will be on tv with a chalkboard proving that black folks are of Satan and that, adding just a few letters and taking away others, Obama is an anagram for "black Satan."
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and leftist d-bags like yourself will follow behind Beck, nipping at his heels, because you really don't have anything better to do with your lives


as to the OP, I like the idea of closed primaries, but don't like the fact that it could exclude people who register themselves as independents
 
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GAVol said:
The problem we have in city elections here is that the GOP is a complete non-factor citywide. So they have a Democratic primary for something like Mayor and the winner of the Democratic Primary is a shoo in to win despite never having had to even pretend to campaign for GOP or Independent votes.
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yup. the problem is it eliminates a possible good candidate if they are in a district that is heavily republican or democrat. i doubt enough people will do their research before the primary.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Against it. Every time an O'Donell squeaks past an incumbent R, Beck will be on tv with a chalkboard proving that black folks are of Satan and that, adding just a few letters and taking away others, Obama is an anagram for "black Satan."
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can someone translate this for me?
 
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Well you have those areas where local officeholders may be the exact opposite party. the only way to vote on local leaders is cross over. Some areas in the South are filled with the good ol' Democrats. The local levels are old timers that Great Grandpappy would flip in his Confederate grays if he knew Junior was voting Lincoln's party. So they run as Dems for local races. If a voter wants to vote on local officials AND national officials in a primary, they have to choose which party to declare here in GA in the primary. Some other states are similar. People like the portability.

On the flip side you have the nefarious types who say hey I live in a heavily X party area and my Y party has no opposition. I'll cross over to either vote for the weaker candidate to face my candidate in the general OR if my candidate stands no chance I will go with the moderate in the primary.

We saw Cynthia McKinney voted out of her district here in GA thanks to crossovers. There are some excellent pros and cons on this issue. It's great unless your party/candidate loses.
 
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volinbham said:
Lot's of good arguments for and against open primaries.

Where do you stand?

I'd say any registered voter should be allowed to vote in ALL primaries - that's right I said it.
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I agree!
Open primaries as a result of no parties to be aligned with!
 
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Some states have a list of all candidates running and the top two make it to a runoff. It allows for the Basil Marceaux Party to run a candidate and lose. The fringe comes out of the woodwork but hey, they have free speech rights as well.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Against it. Every time an O'Donell squeaks past an incumbent R, Beck will be on tv with a chalkboard proving that black folks are of Satan and that, adding just a few letters and taking away others, Obama is an anagram for "black Satan."
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What in the name of bloody Hell does that pile of gobbledygook mean?
 
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N'est-ce Pas said:
What in the name of bloody Hell does that pile of gobbledygook mean?
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Back to the topic of the thread;

IMO the number one problem in the country is the millions of fraudulent votes cast every election.

We need to systematically clear the rolls of dead voters or those who have moved away and somehow come with a voter registration system that assures us that some people don't vote in several different precincts on the same day etc.
 
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