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VOL61

VOL61

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This is ridiculous. I know Mike Slive is great at suspending basketball coaches. But what is keeping him from acting on this. It isn’t right. You should not be able to treat kids like this. When you recruit a kid and he commits to you, call me crazy but I think you at least owe that kid 4 years. What Alabama, LSU, and Ole Miss are doing this year in recruiting is completely wrong and shouldn’t be allowed. Bama has 12 spots they have 20 verbal’s and two greyshirts plus they aren’t done… LSU is 9 over already. Ole Miss is 10 over….

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Kid can't keep his spot, he needs to look elsewhere.

Star Jackson was pissed about falling behind AJ McCarron on the depth chart, so he gets butthurt and transferred to 1AA startup GA State. He spent the year 3rd on the Panther's depth chart. He didn't do enough to keep his scholarship at Alabama, and is barely doing enough to keep his schollie at GSU. Such is life.
 
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I hate bama but satan is not breaking the rules. Its looking like Dooley might be doing the same thing. We might want to wait before we start throwing stones.
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It isn't right if Dooley does it either. These kids are not in the NFL yet. They shouldn't be treated the same way.

The truth is the Big 10 has already acted on this. The Big 12 isn't far behind.

They shouldn't be pressured to transfer or pressured to take medical hardships unless it is legit. What is going on at Bama and LSU right now isn't and it is time for it to stop. Do the right thing for a change.
 
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I agree its not right and the sec should change it. The fact is that if Dooley doesn't do it then it will be that much harder to beat bama. if we lose to our rivals, I can guarantee people won't say well at least we didn't oversign. They will be saying Dooley can't recruit and his job will be on the line. He needs to do whatever it takes within the rules to win. Sadly that is the business of college football today.
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cool website. I think it needs to be stopped and bravo to tressel for not doing it.
 
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bamawriter said:
Kid can't keep his spot, he needs to look elsewhere.

Star Jackson was pissed about falling behind AJ McCarron on the depth chart, so he gets butthurt and transferred to 1AA startup GA State. He spent the year 3rd on the Panther's depth chart. He didn't do enough to keep his scholarship at Alabama, and is barely doing enough to keep his schollie at GSU. Such is life.
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Nonsense.

This isn't professional football and the players aren't getting paid. According to the NCAA, they are students first and amatuer athletes second. If they were getting paid it would be a different story. The NCAA should hold the scholarship limit to what it is and enforce rules against oversigning. Any pressure to transfer or declare a medical scholarship when it is not needed or against the students wishes should be investigated immediately.

If the NCAA wants to allow these players to receive payment for their services and the ridiculous amount of money they generate for the university and organization, then fine. Until then, enforce the rules and ban this oversigning garbage.
 
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tri_vol said:
I agree its not right and the sec should change it. The fact is that if Dooley doesn't do it then it will be that much harder to beat bama. if we lose to our rivals, I can guarantee people won't say well at least we didn't oversign. They will be saying Dooley can't recruit and his job will be on the line. He needs to do whatever it takes within the rules to win. Sadly that is the business of college football today.
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Those are the exact reason's why the SEC and the NCAA for that matter should act on this. The more it happens the more it will happen at other places. The only one who will suffer will be the kids and those kids families. The same one's that these coaches promised to look after.

The media needs to hold Bama and LSU accountable for this. They need to confront the SEC. They need to start asking some tough questions.

I know if my son was being recruited I would have serious questions about sending my son to either Alabama or LSU. The actions speak for themselves. I know it is important to win. I agree. But it can't be win at all costs and I don't know how you can preach team and togetherness then turn around a drop a kid for no other reason than the kid not being talented enough. When you yourself evaluated the kid and offered him a scholarship. To me that mistake should fall on the coach.
 
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VOL61 said:
Those are the exact reason's why the SEC and the NCAA for that matter should act on this. The more it happens the more it will happen at other places. The only one who will suffer will be the kids and those kids families. The same one's that these coaches promised to look after.

The media needs to hold Bama and LSU accountable for this. They need to confront the SEC. They need to start asking some tough questions.

I know if my son was being recruited I would have serious questions about sending my son to either Alabama or LSU. The actions speak for themselves. I know it is important to win. I agree. But it can't be win at all costs and I don't know how you can preach team and togetherness then turn around a drop a kid for no other reason than the kid not being talented enough. When you yourself evaluated the kid and offered him a scholarship. To me that mistake should fall on the coach.
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It goes both ways. Players like Bryce Brown/David Oku/Aaron Douglas etc. are not held accountable when they decide to transfer or just quit the team.
 
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rjd970 said:
Nonsense.

This isn't professional football and the players aren't getting paid. According to the NCAA, they are students first and amatuer athletes second. If they were getting paid it would be a different story. The NCAA should hold the scholarship limit to what it is and enforce rules against oversigning. Any pressure to transfer or declare a medical scholarship when it is not needed or against the students wishes should be investigated immediately.
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If your concern is truly about the players being students before athletes, then the medical scholarship shouldn't be an issue for you. Any player who accepts a medical schollie still gets all of the benefits of a full athletic scholarship, but they aren't on the team. So the player gets to be a student without the rigors and distractions of football. How can you have a problem with that?
 
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govols182 said:
We can't play along until we have a full roster. So, it'll be another year most likely before we could "play along" so to speak.
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I know, but if it's giving them a competitive edge, which i can't see how it doesn't, then play along until they say you can't
 
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From what I understand, Richt doesn't do it. Nobody seems to be supporting him right now.
 
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Weezy said:
From what I understand, Richt doesn't do it. Nobody seems to be supporting him right now.
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Do you blame them? Morals get left behind in this Conference. It's dog eat dog anymore. Too much pressure to win and these guys get paid tons of money to deliver the goods.
 
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do what you gotta do to win and bring in the best players you can....last time I checked coaches are paid to win right?? not to worry about someones feelings
 
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Vols4life said:
do what you gotta do to win and bring in the best players you can....last time I checked coaches are paid to win right?? not to worry about someones feelings
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You will never hear an AD say "Coach Smith has had 3 straight losing seasons, but he doesn't oversign, so he'll be our coach next year."
 
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rjd970 said:
Nonsense.

This isn't professional football and the players aren't getting paid. According to the NCAA, they are students first and amatuer athletes second. If they were getting paid it would be a different story. The NCAA should hold the scholarship limit to what it is and enforce rules against oversigning. Any pressure to transfer or declare a medical scholarship when it is not needed or against the students wishes should be investigated immediately.

If the NCAA wants to allow these players to receive payment for their services and the ridiculous amount of money they generate for the university and organization, then fine. Until then, enforce the rules and ban this oversigning garbage.
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:clapping: Great post. That says pretty much everything I think about this subject, except for this thought. Players are and their familys are accountable for where they choose to play. If a recruit chooses to play for cutthroats like Saban and Miles among others, then they are just as much to blame. There is no excuse for asking to be treated this way. These coaches are proven liars that would sell there soul just to win and everybody knows it. It's stupid to agree to play for them, and then complain when or feign ignorance when you are treated like garbage.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
:clapping: Great post. That says pretty much everything I think about this subject, except for this thought. Players are and their familys are accountable for where they choose to play. If a recruit chooses to play for cutthroats like Saban and Miles among others, then they are just as much to blame. There is no excuse for asking to be treated this way. These coaches are proven liars that would sell there soul just to win and everybody knows it. It's stupid to agree to play for them, and then complain when or feign ignorance when you are treated like garbage.
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With the lone exception of a player who didn't agree with his medical scholarship, but who is still going to Alabama for free, who has complained about Saban's tactics?
 
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bamawriter said:
With the lone exception of a player who didn't agree with his medical scholarship, but who is still going to Alabama for free, who has complained about Saban's tactics?
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I agree that winning is important I agree these coaches are going to do anything they can to bend the rules in place to benifit them and their programs.

But the truth is this a manipulation of the rules to get kids off the 85 man roster and free up space for new recruits. And till it is addressed you are going to see more and more of this. You can spin it anyway you like but it doesn't make it right.

Here is a quote from Elliot Porter who had already enrolled at LSU last year when Miles called him in his office.

"I got called to coach Miles' office. I had no idea it was coming," Elliott Porter said of his being asked by LSU to 'grayshirt' this season and re-enroll next year. "He just told me that they didn't have room for me. I moved out of my dorm today and I am now back home trying to figure everything out. It's been a rough 24 hours."
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IMO this is unacceptable. I know if I had been that kids father I would have been mad as hell. I can't see how any parent could trust these cats with their kids. I am sure that they didn't mention these things when they where sitting there on visit's in the kids living room telling his mama how he was going to look after his son. Make him a "Man". It's a joke and it's wrong.
 
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VOL61 said:
I agree that winning is important I agree these coaches are going to do anything they can to bend the rules in place to benifit them and their programs.

But the truth is this a manipulation of the rules to get kids off the 85 man roster and free up space for new recruits. And till it is addressed you are going to see more and more of this. You can spin it anyway you like but it doesn't make it right.

Here is a quote from Elliot Porter who had already enrolled at LSU last year when Miles called him in his office.



IMO this is unacceptable. I know if I had been that kids father I would have been mad as hell. I can't see how any parent could trust these cats with their kids. I am sure that they didn't mention these things when they where sitting there on visit's in the kids living room telling his mama how he was going to look after his son. Make him a "Man". It's a joke and it's wrong.
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Miles is doing it to keep up with Saban. Everyone will have to do it or continue to watch Alabama win titles. They're paid to win games and if one school is doing something to give a competitive edge, you can bet the rest will follow because their jobs depend on it.
 
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VOL61 said:
Here is a quote from Elliot Porter who had already enrolled at LSU last year when Miles called him in his office.



IMO this is unacceptable. I know if I had been that kids father I would have been mad as hell. I can't see how any parent could trust these cats with their kids. I am sure that they didn't mention these things when they where sitting there on visit's in the kids living room telling his mama how he was going to look after his son. Make him a "Man". It's a joke and it's wrong.
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I agree that what Miles did with Porter was ridiculous. But that is a different than what Saban has done. Porter was signed and on campus, and then Miles found out that a kid who he didn't think would be eligible actually was, so he made Porter ship out.

Saban has never signed a player as a contingency, and then kicked him out. Everyone who signs at Alabama gets a chance to earn their spot. Porter was never given that opportunity at LSU.
 
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bamawriter said:
I agree that what Miles did with Porter was ridiculous. But that is a different than what Saban has done. Porter was signed and on campus, and then Miles found out that a kid who he didn't think would be eligible actually was, so he made Porter ship out.

Saban has never signed a player as a contingency, and then kicked him out. Everyone who signs at Alabama gets a chance to earn their spot. Porter was never given that opportunity at LSU.
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Saban is behind all of this. He basically does this every year. How can you sign classes of 30, 29, 28, 32, and then this year looks to be more of the same.

Again, The big 10 has already acted on this. The Big 12 has or is in the process of addressing it. It is only a matter of time before the SEC does. At least I hope Mr. Slive will. I know Bama is ESPN's Darling right now. But I would bet your ass if Kiffin would have been pulling this stuff Slive would have been all over it.
 
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Saban wasn't the first to do it.

Tubberville was doing it at AU. Nutt was doing it at Arkansas. Fulmer did it once or twice at Tennessee. Sherrill and Croom both did it at MSU. Holtz and Spurrier both did it at USCe. Even Kentucky oversigned some classes under Brooks.

Since 2002, AU has averaged 2 more signees per class than Alabama. Let's not go nuts with all the finger pointing.
 
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bamawriter said:
Saban wasn't the first to do it.

Tubberville was doing it at AU. Nutt was doing it at Arkansas. Fulmer did it once or twice at Tennessee. Sherrill and Croom both did it at MSU. Holtz and Spurrier both did it at USCe. Even Kentucky oversigned some classes under Brooks.

Since 2002, AU has averaged 2 more signees per class than Alabama. Let's not go nuts with all the finger pointing.
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Let's get this straight. No one has come close to what Saban is doing.....

All of those you mention have had coaching turnovers which in its self is going to cause turnover. That is understandable to me. What isn't is when a coach takes a commit then cuts a kid, and make no mistake that is what is happening, that he recruited. It is clear what is going on at Bama, LSU, and Ole Miss and it is at a level that hasn't been seen before.
 
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