Pearls demise......

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When you read this article, it doesn't sound as bad as the sensationlizing media has made it out to be...if this had happened 20 years ago, Pearl would still be the coach here at TN. Calhoun did much worse and he's still walking the sidelines and going to the final 4! Some say the NCAA forced our hand and I guess we'll never know.
 
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Of course it doesn't sound bad, nowhere does Writer32 ever catalog the findings. He doesn't even tell what, if any, violations there were involving the cookout.
 
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It is real simple to me. Pearl came to UT with NCAA baggage. He needed to fly straight but he couldn't, not his nature. When presented with what should normally be reasonably minor infractions, he lied and tried to cover up in a most egregious and disgusting manor. That was all NCAA needed to hammer him as severely as they could.

I think we saw his true character through this and I also think we were beginning to see the decline or at least the wall of what Bruce's capabilities could accomplish here.
 
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So do I get my apology from verc? Forbes lied first. Pearl shouldn't have lied even after and should not have created a culture where assistants lied to the NCAA.

I think compliance should have prepared them to not only tell the truth but also know that the consequences for various small violations were minor.
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VolinDawgland said:
It is real simple to me. Pearl came to UT with NCAA baggage. He needed to fly straight but he couldn't, not his nature. When presented with what should normally be reasonably minor infractions, he lied and tried to cover up in a most egregious and disgusting manor. That was all NCAA needed to hammer him as severely as they could.

I think we saw his true character through this and I also think we were beginning to see the decline or at least the wall of what Bruce's capabilities could accomplish here.
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I don't think you can count this season's results as a true indication that the program had hit a wall.

There were too many distractions and it absolutely effected both the players and the coaches all season. If this season had been distraction free, I doubt you'd be saying we were seeing the decline of CBP's coaching abilities.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
I think compliance should have prepared them to not only tell the truth but also know that the consequences for various small violations were minor.
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Yeah . . . I'm sure it's all compliance's fault. :crazy:

those guys knew exactly what they were doing.
 
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GAVol said:
Yeah . . . I'm sure it's all compliance's fault. :crazy:

those guys knew exactly what they were doing.
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Did Griffith have any quotes from Forbes blaming the real culprits, internet messsage boards?
 
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GAVol said:
Yeah . . . I'm sure it's all compliance's fault. :crazy:

those guys knew exactly what they were doing.
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I love the idea that a bunch of guys who have been in the business for 20 years need to be told not to lie to the NCAA.
 
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Hammy needs to be impacted by his actions in this mess.

Pearl lied to the NCAA.....adding to his previous history, that little lie broke the camels back. To me it seems that a few very patient power brokers in the system (including NCAA) finally got to play their trump cards.
 
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One thing I'm confused about and I apologize if this has been answered elsewhere. But I don't understand how pearls contract was canceled so easily without a legal fight. Seems to me this is a red flag indicating the admin felt he was a problem before the most recent contact extention.
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hlcs1 said:
One thing I'm confused about and I apologize if this has been answered elsewhere. But I don't understand how pearls contract was canceled so easily without a legal fight. Seems to me this is a red flag indicating the admin felt he was a problem before the most recent contact extention.
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after three years this is the first thing you want to post... you must really be confused!

I think you are right, and by ripping up his K they were basically putting his future at the mercy of the NCAA investigation.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
I think compliance should have prepared them to not only tell the truth but also know that the consequences for various small violations were minor.
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Pearl, and his assistants, lied to the 'AA, because they aren't that smart. It had ZERO to do with compliance, and they even knew that it wasn't that big of a deal. I believe that Pearl ended up lying, because he thought he wouldn't get caught. Thing is, that's why everyone lies, but, most if not all people get caught in them. Our compliance department may in fact save our collective asses from really bad sanctions, with Pearl gone. They document everything they can, and if they don't see it or hear about it, it's not on compliance, it's on the coaches.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I love the idea that a bunch of guys who have been in the business for 20 years need to be told not to lie to the NCAA.
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It's one of the most ludicrous things I've read in the past several days . . . And that's saying something.
 
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VolinDawgland said:
It is real simple to me. Pearl came to UT with NCAA baggage. He needed to fly straight but he couldn't, not his nature. When presented with what should normally be reasonably minor infractions, he lied and tried to cover up in a most egregious and disgusting manor. That was all NCAA needed to hammer him as severely as they could.

I think we saw his true character through this and I also think we were beginning to see the decline or at least the wall of what Bruce's capabilities could accomplish here.
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I was with you until your last sentence. You do recall that we went to the Elite Eight last year?
 
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1. The last part was extremely depressing.

2. Didn't realize Fancher had so much to do with Ware re-committing. Only bright spot of that whole story.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
So do I get my apology from verc? Forbes lied first. Pearl shouldn't have lied even after and should not have created a culture where assistants lied to the NCAA.

I think compliance should have prepared them to not only tell the truth but also know that the consequences for various small violations were minor.
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The fact that Pearl told recruits and their families the day of the cookout that it was a violation, that they shouldn't tell anyone they were there, etc indicates that he was already planning to cover it up. It's hard to argue that all this is just a case of Pearl selflessly covering for a rogue employee when he was trying to hush it up from the get-go. Remember in the letter of termination that the staff discussed their testimony beforehand? The lying was orchestrated.

Blaming it on compliance is nonsense. Everyone knows what happens if you get caught lying to the NCAA.
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The one thing I found interesting is the assistant coach lied first.
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Manvol said:
The one thing I found interesting is the assistant coach lied first.
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I'm sure that had nothing to do with the fact he was simply the first one to meet with the investigators.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I'm sure that had nothing to do with the fact he was simply the first one to meet with the investigators.
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Yea that was the next question was that simply the plan going in. Who ever was first, unlike TN defense, deny...
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Vercingetorix said:
The fact that Pearl told recruits and their families the day of the cookout that it was a violation, that they shouldn't tell anyone they were there, etc indicates that he was already planning to cover it up. It's hard to argue that all this is just a case of Pearl selflessly covering for a rogue employee when he was trying to hush it up from the get-go. Remember in the letter of termination that the staff discussed their testimony beforehand? The lying was orchestrated.

Blaming it on compliance is nonsense. Everyone knows what happens if you get caught lying to the NCAA.
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You think they fully understood that there was no reason to lie?

You prepare a defendant for a deposition and they answer a good deal with an "I do not remember with specificity". You also explain different levels of liability in the civil arena, or different crimes they could be charged with and why and what the consequences would be.

If the staff knew that it was not a big deal if they admitted the cookout violation, why lie? I think they were more nervous than they should have been, and it sounds like they were NOT well prepared.

I also despise within the AD the open campaigning for Hamilton's job and the PR leaks to reporters which bray about their incredible work in compliance to save TN.

Fulmer to Majors
Hamilton to Fulmer
Blackburn to Hamilton

Lots of BOT guys and major boosters who enjoy internecine warfare. Dysfunction junction.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
You think they fully understood that there was no reason to lie?

You prepare a defendant for a deposition and they answer a good deal with an "I do not remember with specificity". You also explain different levels of liability in the civil arena, or different crimes they could be charged with and why and what the consequences would be.

If the staff knew that it was not a big deal if they admitted the cookout violation, why lie? I think they were more nervous than they should have been, and it sounds like they were NOT well prepared.

I also despise within the AD the open campaigning for Hamilton's job and the PR leaks to reporters which bray about their incredible work in compliance to save TN.

Fulmer to Majors
Hamilton to Fulmer
Blackburn to Hamilton

Lots of BOT guys and major boosters who enjoy internecine warfare. Dysfunction junction.
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So they apparently thought things were serious enough to where it was necessary to create an elaborate series of lies in order to save their necks. If the compliance office is so helpful, wouldn't a reasonable course of action been for the coaches to consult them prior to making the decision to avoid the truth?
 
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