Penn State Dropping Football After 2012 and Starting Back Up In 2015 at I-AA

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I was out of the house early this morning and the early morning guy who partners with Artrell Hawkins, said that his sources have told him that Penn State will shortly announce that they will play out the 2012 football season and then shut the football program down completely for 2 season and then come back in 2015 as a I-AA team.

Take it for what it is worth. It sure makes a lot of sense.

Think about the penalties imposed by the NCAA, the Big Ten and the soon to be imposed penalties from lawsuits.

There is a cost to field a football team, market the team, put on a game, and travel to away games(and that is a huge cost for Penn State since they are in the middle of no where).

It will cost the team millions to do all of those things in addition to paying the penalties.

Dropping the program could be seen as a way to show compliance with the courts system and a begging for mercy on their end. Planning on going 1-AA also shows the courts that Penn State is taking this serious.
 
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Tux said:
I was out of the house early this morning and the early morning guy who partners with Artrell Hawkins, said that his sources have told him that Penn State will shortly announce that they will play out the 2012 football season and then shut the football program down completely for 2 season and then come back in 2015 as a I-AA team.

Take it for what it is worth. It sure makes a lot of sense.

Think about the penalties imposed by the NCAA, the Big Ten and the soon to be imposed penalties from lawsuits.

There is a cost to field a football team, market the team, put on a game, and travel to away games(and that is a huge cost for Penn State since they are in the middle of no where).

It will cost the team millions to do all of those things in addition to paying the penalties.

Dropping the program could be seen as a way to show compliance with the courts system and a begging for mercy on their end. Planning on going 1-AA also shows the courts that Penn State is taking this serious.
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They should join the Atlantic 10. They won't be competitive in 1a for 6-7 years. This sounds radical, but radical is what brought this on, to start with.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
Not unheard of. SMU did it.
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No they didn't. The NCAA shut them down. They voluntarily took a second season off b/c they feared they could not field a team the second year without getting the scrub team hurt, and then they came back.

I think it actually is unheard of for an NCAA BCS level school to voluntarily suspend their entire football program.
 
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I'm aware of that. My point was they elected to sit out the second year.
 
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They make at least 5 to 6 million every home game which in turn funds other sports, ESP women's sports. The revenue will drop some but no way in hell they don't play their allotment of home games. Area businesses and other sports funded by the games would not stand for it. All about money and the protection of a revenue stream.
 
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While the penalty is the only good thing to come out of the NCAA's punishment considering it's going to help a cause, it sure does seem to be based on some lofty number. That number was derived from Penn State Football's annual average revenue. I don't see how you can expect them to pay that when most revenue streams are probably lost. The only way I see it being paid is by the University (not AD), which I'm sure they will given the PR nightmare they are in.

The NCAA's involvement in this is beyond stupid.
 
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not buying it.

even if they decided to shut the program down for a couple seasons, it would be nonsensical to turn down B1G money and return at the FCS level.
 
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Can you imagine that large of a stadium being used for an FCS team? That would be crazy. I don't see them doing it, but who knows?
 
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I think it will depend on which players leave the program. They may have already polled the players and feel they may not be able to field a team next year. If enough players leave their ticket sales will plummet as no one wants to drive 3-4 hours to sit in the snow and watch the scout team play. They may not have a choice in the matter.
 
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What dropping the program will get rid of all the hype? Don't think so. Can't see this scenario happening.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
What dropping the program will get rid of all the hype? Don't think so. Can't see this scenario happening.
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They very well may know that they are losing a substantial portion of their current roster, and will have trouble recruiting replacements.

I can't see it happening, but they may be forced to something like this. With that said tho, I call BS. This is DEFINITELY not a decision that would be made mere hours after the bomb being dropped. It's a decision that would be forced as the rubble is surveyed.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
They very well may know that they are losing a substantial portion of their current roster, and will have trouble recruiting replacements.

I can't see it happening, but they may be forced to something like this. With that said tho, I call BS. This is DEFINITELY not a decision that would be made mere hours after the bomb being dropped. It's a decision that would be forced as the rubble is surveyed.
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Understand. It's the dropping to a lower conference that I find a stretch. But which everything else they've been leveled with not impossible.
 
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I don't see this happening. I'd still go watch UT play even if they aren't going to be competitive because that's what fans do. PSU will still have fans that love and support them. Granted, their fanbase will take a HUGE hit but shutting down the program is the dumbest thing they could ever do. And no way I see them playing at that level. When you look at the culture in PA and the highschool talent in that area (not nearly as good as Texas and other places but still pretty darn good) then you grow up being a PSU fan and wanted to play for the team just like us East Tennessee boys do when we play. I don't see everybody completely jumping off the bandwagon and still think they field a somewhat competitive team. They'll be bottom feeders in the B10 but it's not like B10 football is the SEC, they'll suck but probably not nearly as bad as people think.

Truthfully, if something like that happend at UT, i'd be devestated. But the actions the NCAA and PSU have taken should at least show people that things are being done and if you want to write a program off you've grown to love just because of the decisions of a few individuals that's no longer associated with the program than that's sad. As corny as it is, it's not always about winning and losing, some of it has a lot to do with pride and being proud of the guys repping your school colors regardless of their talent.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Understand. It's the dropping to a lower conference that I find a stretch. But which everything else they've been leveled with not impossible.
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Shaun1985 said:
I don't see this happening. I'd still go watch UT play even if they aren't going to be competitive because that's what fans do. PSU will still have fans that love and support them. Granted, their fanbase will take a HUGE hit but shutting down the program is the dumbest thing they could ever do. And no way I see them playing at that level. When you look at the culture in PA and the highschool talent in that area (not nearly as good as Texas and other places but still pretty darn good) then you grow up being a PSU fan and wanted to play for the team just like us East Tennessee boys do when we play. I don't see everybody completely jumping off the bandwagon and still think they field a somewhat competitive team. They'll be bottom feeders in the B10 but it's not like B10 football is the SEC, they'll suck but probably not nearly as bad as people think.

Truthfully, if something like that happend at UT, i'd be devestated. But the actions the NCAA and PSU have taken should at least show people that things are being done and if you want to write a program off you've grown to love just because of the decisions of a few individuals that's no longer associated with the program than that's sad. As corny as it is, it's not always about winning and losing, some of it has a lot to do with pride and being proud of the guys repping your school colors regardless of their talent.
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The reason that SMU self-mandated a second year of program shut-down was because they were afraid they would get their diminished team hurt. When they actually did field a team, the head coach was taller than almost anyone on the team. They had to add weight to receivers and make them O-Linemen.

It wouldn't be unthinkable for a program to feel that they need to play down to lower size/competition level for a while-- just for the safety of their players.

With all that said, again... I call BS. :)
 
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Would make sense if it was recommended as a preemptive legal maneuver. They are not going to profit off football anyway, it will all go to the court
 
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If you've ever been to State College PA, you know that it is in the middle of nothing. Beautiful country, but from Harrisburg it is about 2-3 hours depending on weather. I could easily see a large percentage of the fanbase deciding not to make the drive for home games. Attendance was already down last year and they only sold out 1 game, which was the Bama game in September. They raised the prices and moved season ticket holders around, which also upset a bunch of people. With all of these sanctions, there is a lot of incentive to stay home.

http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=341623

Under the STEP program, season-ticket holders must pay $100 per seat to the Nittany Lion Club for seats in the end zone and stretching to near the 10-yard line, plus the price of the ticket ($55 per game).

Season-ticket holders with seats between the 10s must pay $400, $600 and $1,000 per seat to the NLC. Those are the sections where most of the empty seats have been located.

Alabama fans could be seen in those prime seats for the game at Penn State.
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They still get $$$ from the Big 10 Network -- what they need now is a shady pair like Kiffin and Orgeron to keep recruits intact
 
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I could follow this until the FCS part. I guess that they would have to start back somewhere and may be so far down that they couldn't reasonably compete at the FBS level. However, with their money and facilities, FCS seems too extreme.
 
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I can't see this happening. That might also mean they might have to voluntarily leave their full-sport big 10 membership, and there's no guarantee it'd still be there when they tried to get back
 
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but but but...... psu can't do that to all of the innocent people that are still there....

/sarcasm
 
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Never gonna happen. Penn State has a 1.8 billion endowment fund. They can hold on with zero football revenue for 10 years and be just fine. They will never leave The Big Ten and certainly will not go Division II.
 
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brian.kluever said:
Never gonna happen. Penn State has a 1.8 billion endowment fund. They can hold on with zero football revenue for 10 years and be just fine. They will never leave The Big Ten and certainly will not go Division II.
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It's not all freed up money (the 1.8 bill) but you're right, there's no way they'd jump down a peg like that; they're too big/large to need to
 
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