Penn State scandal (merged)

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ItsDarwinism said:
With all due respect, you don't have a clue what you would have done in McQueary's situation, and unless you are in your 70's, a WWII veteran, and a 50 year employee and Head Football Coach at Penn State you don't have a clue what you would have done. Its all just wild speculation.
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My employer, which is very large and prominent, has policies for its employees. For business issues, report it to your supervisor. For ethical issues, report it to your site Ethics Officer. For legal issues, report it to your site Legal Organization. Its then up to those groups to determine the next action and whether outside organizations (like the Police) need to be pulled in. They will conduct follow up contact with the person reported as needed. Its quite possible McQueary met all the expectations of his employer in this situation and that is why his employer has not changed his status.
 
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GAVol said:
he should have called the cops but the only slight out that I give him is that he went to Paterno. For a guy his age in State College PA, that's like telling God.
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Yeah, but how on earth can you go the next 9 years seeing Sandusky on campus all the time after what he witnessed? And with Sandusky escorting more young boys around at that. I just can't wrap my head around it...
 
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CountVolcula said:
Not Sad, but pathetic?

I cannot see how a rational, educated person, cannot look at the facts of the case and see that when you allow a person that has committed such crimes to continue to be around the campus and facilities, is somehow not partially responsible.
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You guys keep killing me with your own contradictions. What is it, burn him at the stake, or hold him "partially responsible?"

I never said JP wasn't partially at fault here, but there is much much information that we don't know and don't understand that one can only speculate about. There is a much bigger story here than Paterno and having visited State College its not out of realm of possibility that Paterno, at his age, simply developed a mental block concerning this whole situation, and wrongly trusted the administration to do the right thing. Now, in retrospect was that the correct course of action? Well Paterno thought so and since none of you are in his shoes or even understand his thought process, or have a friggin clue what was going on behind closed doors at Penn State since you dont have the information, calling for his head is a little premature.
 
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ItsDarwinism said:
You guys keep killing me with your own contradictions. What is it, burn him at the stake, or hold him "partially responsible?"

I never said JP wasn't partially at fault here, but there is much much information that we don't know and don't understand that one can only speculate about. There is a much bigger story here than Paterno and having visited State College its not out of realm of possibility that Paterno, at his age, simply developed a mental block concerning this whole situation, and wrongly trusted the administration to do the right thing. Now, in retrospect was that the correct course of action? Well Paterno thought so and since none of you are in his shoes or even understand his thought process, or have a friggin clue what was going on behind closed doors at Penn State since you dont have the information, calling for his head is a little premature.
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Never called for his head. Said he got what he deserved and that everybody involved in the whole thing at Penn State should be gone so they can move on as a school.
 
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GreatWhiteNorth said:
Yeah, but how on earth can you go the next 9 years seeing Sandusky on campus all the time after what he witnessed? And with Sandusky escorting more young boys around at that. I just can't wrap my head around it...
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There's absolutely no excuse for it. Our resident dumbass posters simply avoid the facts and pretend "Joe really didn't know" and other similar garbage. The bottomline is that he's as guilty as everyone else that helped cover this up.
 
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NWGVol said:
You would stop it, but have no problem with someone who could have stopped it , but did little to nothing to stop it?
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How do u draw that conclusion? Pretty upset with janitor, da, ad, and grad asst. Paterno should have done more of course but he is getting lions share of blame which isnt right.
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CountVolcula said:
Not Sad, but pathetic?

I cannot see how a rational, educated person, cannot look at the facts of the case and see that when you allow a person that has committed such crimes to continue to be around the campus and facilities, is somehow not partially responsible.
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Because we are rational and educated.
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ZZ13 said:
My employer, which is very large and prominent, has policies for its employees. For business issues, report it to your supervisor. For ethical issues, report it to your site Ethics Officer. For legal issues, report it to your site Legal Organization. Its then up to those groups to determine the next action and whether outside organizations (like the Police) need to be pulled in. They will conduct follow up contact with the person reported as needed. Its quite possible McQueary met all the expectations of his employer in this situation and that is why his employer has not changed his status.
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OK, I get that 100%. Been there too. However, even with these written policies in place, if an employee jumps the chain of command by going to an "ethics officer" with an issue, it is entirely possible that he himself is compromising his own job status. Yep, I'm going with that.

We all know that both Paterno and McQueary met the standards that were/are in place. What we dont know is the breadth of the umbrella of conspiracy and corruption at the administrative level.
 
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Vols520 said:
How do u draw that conclusion? Pretty upset with janitor, da, ad, and grad asst. Paterno should have done more of course but he is getting lions share of blame which isnt right.
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Why isn't it right? He IS PSU football.
 
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ItsDarwinism said:
OK, I get that 100%. Been there too. However, even with these written policies in place, if an employee jumps the chain of command by going to an "ethics officer" with an issue, it is entirely possible that he himself is compromising his own job status. Yep, I'm going with that.
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Surely you are not insinuating that Paterno could have been concerned about his job status as a reason for not calling the police.
 
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ItsDarwinism said:
Again, you guys dont have a clue what you're talking about. I agree he "could" have done more, but as usual you guys are missing the bigger story here.

I am quite sure that this whole episode going back to 98 is absolutely abhorrent to Paterno, I've also been to State College and I doubt many around here have. Not much there but the university. I also doubt that the subject of pedophilia is directly in Joe's wheelhouse. Its pretty obvious that JP wanted to stay as far away from this as possible and allow the administration to get their hands dirty if necessary. Now, is that doing everything.... no. Do I believe that JP intentionally avoided getting his hands dirty.... yes. But still, this is a massive coverup, bigger than a lot of people recognize and your focus on stringing up Paterno is all wrong. Sorry.
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Allegedly, Paterno did not do everything in his power to stop a pedophile, that right there should be enough to keep the "focus" on him...
 
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Vols520 said:
How do u draw that conclusion? Pretty upset with janitor, da, ad, and grad asst. Paterno should have done more of course but he is getting lions share of blame which isnt right.
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I was referring to you not having a problem with Paterno doing little to nothing. I don't see how Paterno is getting the lions share of the blame. I see he is getting what he deserves for his inactions
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Vols520 said:
Because we are rational and educated.
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You appear neither. You simply disregard the obvious facts that are staring you in the face while you continue stating things like "Joe Pa didn't know" while he's already testified that he did know. To now claim that you appear educated and rational is just downright funny.
 
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GreatWhiteNorth said:
Surely you are not insinuating that Paterno could have been concerned about his job status as a reason for not calling the police.
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Yes, because Penn State would have definitely fired Jo Pa for notifying the authorities about a serial child rapist. That would have looked great in the media. I'm not kidding you Great White; we have some of the dumbest posters here that I've ever seen.
 
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GreatWhiteNorth said:
Surely you are not insinuating that Paterno could have been concerned about his job status as a reason for not calling the police.
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No I'm talking about McQueary.

Oh sorry lawboy, I see you banging away but I still cant hear you. There were 4 people caught in an Idiot Trap yesterday, you were one of them. No offense. lol
 
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ItsDarwinism said:
OK, I get that 100%. Been there too. However, even with these written policies in place, if an employee jumps the chain of command by going to an "ethics officer" with an issue, it is entirely possible that he himself is compromising his own job status. Yep, I'm going with that.

We all know that both Paterno and McQueary met the standards that were/are in place. What we dont know is the breadth of the umbrella of conspiracy and corruption at the administrative level.
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How about he skips the "ethics officer" and goes to the police?
 
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I, like Lawvol, want to see an outside federal investigation and conspiracy charges brought against JoePa before he dies.

Sandusky was obviously a sick sick mentally warped human being. However, it was Paterno and the environment he created at Penn State and within the athletic department that facilitated Sandusky's behavior and ability to get away with his crime. Paterno should be charged and convicted of rape for every instance that it occurred after Paterno's first knowledge of Sandusky's disease.

Everything thing written about Paterno from here to eternity should begin with "Paterno, rape conspirator...
 
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ItsDarwinism said:
OK, I get that 100%. Been there too. However, even with these written policies in place, if an employee jumps the chain of command by going to an "ethics officer" with an issue, it is entirely possible that he himself is compromising his own job status. Yep, I'm going with that.

We all know that both Paterno and McQueary met the standards that were/are in place. What we dont know is the breadth of the umbrella of conspiracy and corruption at the administrative level.
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Hmm, when that chain of command came to him to get him to retire a few years ago, he told them to eff off and he would retire on his own terms.

But he was job scared in the wake of the scandal?
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#2,775
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People hiding behind the chain of command are simply pathetic. The chain of command is what caused 20+ kids to have their lives ruined forever. Using that as an excuse to allow child rape to continue is simply disgusting.
 
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