Penn State scandal (merged)

[OldandStillaVol]

I'd rather be in an angry mob than in a bunker with a child molesting rapist and his friends that didn't stop it.
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+1. Just can't understand how McQuery can continue to work at a place which allows this type of crime. Is the job worth that much?

 

[ItsDarwinism]

Allegedly, Paterno did not do everything in his power to stop a pedophile, that right there should be enough to keep the "focus" on him...

Again with the contradictions. At least you are admitting you dont know what you dont know.

I seriously doubt that Paterno is the FOCUS of the ongoing investigation, maybe we should hang some of the people on this board for not calling the police to tell them that Paterno is the real villain here, and the only guy that should be prosecuted. lmao

 

[vols4sure]

People hiding behind the chain of command are simply disgusting. The chain of command is what caused 20+ kids to have their lives ruined forever. Using that as an excuse to allow child rape to continue is simply disgusting.

There is no "chain" of command. Paterno is the command. This never got out because Paterno did not want it to come out.

 

[DrunkJohnny]

I seriously doubt that Paterno is the FOCUS of the ongoing investigation

Then again, you don't have all the information needed to make this claim, do you? Mental midget.

 

[LawVol13]

There is no "chain" of command. Paterno is the command. This never got out because Paterno did not want it to come out.

I agree.

 

[ItsDarwinism]

Hmm, when that chain of command came to him to get him to retire a few years ago, he told them to eff off and he would retire on his own terms.

But he was job scared in the wake of the scandal?
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I've already answered that question, learn how to read.

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[GreatWhiteNorth]

No I'm talking about McQueary.

McQueary can't hide behind that logic either. Seriously, do you really think he feared for his job status if he were to go straight to the police with his information instead of taking it up the chain first? You can't possibly name one business, university, or entity that would fire you for that.

 

[DrunkJohnny]

There is no "chain" of command. Paterno is the command. This never got out because Paterno did not want it to come out.

Nope. According to these guys, Paterno was just a lowly football coach. Without the power to even ban someone from his teams locker room without permission from the Athletics Director.

Kinda of contradicts everything that's been coming out of Happy Valley for the pas 40 years regarding this "legend," huh?

 

[alumvol08]

Again with the contradictions. At least you are admitting you dont know what you dont know.

I seriously doubt that Paterno is the FOCUS of the ongoing investigation, maybe we should hang some of the people on this board for not calling the police to tell them that Paterno is the real villain here, and the only guy that should be prosecuted. lmao

Who has said he is the only person that should be prosecuted? No one. People have just said that he needs to be held responsible. Quit acting like a little high school girl.

 

[ItsDarwinism]

Then again, you don't have all the information needed to make this claim, do you? Mental midget.

If you think that Paterno is the sole focus of this investigation then you are a complete moron. The level of corruption in this case is unprecedented. To even imply that Paterno was at the very top of and controlling this obvious conspiracy is well.... insane.

Again, there is much more here than you clowns recognize.

 

[ZZ13]

OK, I get that 100%. Been there too. However, even with these written policies in place, if an employee jumps the chain of command by going to an "ethics officer" with an issue, it is entirely possible that he himself is compromising his own job status. Yep, I'm going with that.

We all know that both Paterno and McQueary met the standards that were/are in place. What we dont know is the breadth of the umbrella of conspiracy and corruption at the administrative level.

It appears from the reports we are being fed by the media, that this is the case for the 2002 incident. What we don't know is should they have, or did they, report anything else since that incident. Its tough using just media reports (I guess we have the Grand Jury report as well) to establish our views on culpability and punishment warranted. I commend all of you that are able to do that - I'm not that smart.

 

[DrunkJohnny]

If you think that Paterno is the sole focus of this investigation then you are a complete moron. The level of corruption in this case is unprecedented. To even imply that Paterno was at the very top of and controlling this obvious conspiracy is well.... insane.

Again, there is much more here than you clowns recognize.

Sounds like a bunch of assumptions before you have all the info to me.

 

[LawVol13]

It appears from the reports we are being fed by the media, that this is the case for the 2002 incident. What we don't know is should they have, or did they, report anything else since that incident. Its tough using just media reports (I guess we have the Grand Jury report as well) to establish our views on culpability and punishment warranted. I commend all of you that are able to do that - I'm not that smart.

The point is the protocol was screwed up. It didn't work. IT allowed a monster to keep hanging out at the place that he ass raped a 10 year old. And, it most likely didn't work because Joe Pa has more power than the people "up the chain of command." This was more than likely a coordinated coverup designed to protect their buddy, the child raper, and protect their own reputations. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[NWGVol]

I've already answered that question, learn how to read.

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Look at the time stamps. Perhaps you should learn how to read yourself
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[ItsDarwinism]

Who has said he is the only person that should be prosecuted? No one. People have just said that he needs to be held responsible. Quit acting like a little high school girl.

LOL you guys are the ones acting like a bunch of little girls. The sole focus of this entire goofy argument is and has been Paterno. I never said he shouldn't be held responsible, in all liklihood that will be the case. At least now it looks like some of you may be coming to your senses as I am beginning to see the terms "partially responsible" and what he "allegedly" knew or should have done.

 

[SamRebel35]

Has the rumor about 2nd Mile pimping the kids to donors been put to rest yet?

 

[LawVol13]

Has the rumor about 2nd Mile pimping the kids to donors been put to rest yet?

Nope.

 

[ItsDarwinism]

Sounds like a bunch of assumptions before you have all the info to me.

hahahahahaa And what is all this "hang Joe" bull-****e? You guys dont know anything, you only THINK you have all the information and you dont. I dont know whats funnier, you telling me I'm the one "making assumptions" or all the hypocrites on this board claiming they know exactly what they would do had they been in Paterno's or McQueary's shoes. lol

 

[knucklehead_vol]

LOL you guys are the ones acting like a bunch of little girls. The sole focus of this entire goofy argument is and has been Paterno. I never said he shouldn't be held responsible, in all liklihood that will be the case. At least now it looks like some of you may be coming to your senses as I am beginning to see the terms "partially responsible" and what he "allegedly" knew or should have done.

He ****in came back...lucky us. School must have just got out.
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[alumvol08]

LOL you guys are the ones acting like a bunch of little girls. The sole focus of this entire goofy argument is and has been Paterno. I never said he shouldn't be held responsible, in all liklihood that will be the case. At least now it looks like some of you may be coming to your senses as I am beginning to see the terms "partially responsible" and what he "allegedly" knew or should have done.

Paterno has never been the sole focus. I guess you just haven't been paying attention. There were over 40 pages dedicated to just discussing the GA. Paterno definitely knew enough to be fired based on what he testified to knowing. Everything else is just what else Paterno might have to face such as criminal and civil litigation.

 

[Spartacavolus]

OK, I get that 100%. Been there too. However, even with these written policies in place, if an employee jumps the chain of command by going to an "ethics officer" with an issue, it is entirely possible that he himself is compromising his own job status. Yep, I'm going with that.

We all know that both Paterno and McQueary met the standards that were/are in place. What we dont know is the breadth of the umbrella of conspiracy and corruption at the administrative level.

Are you home schooled? Applying that to this case sums up the word stupidity perfectly.

 

[vols4sure]

How do u draw that conclusion? Pretty upset with janitor, da, ad, and grad asst. Paterno should have done more of course but he is getting lions share of blame which isnt right.
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If there ends up being indisputable evidence that Paterno had clear knowledge of multiple incidents involving Sandusky or that Sandusky had a definitive disease, would you still argue that Paterno should not be at fault and criticized?

I can't tell if your defense is that due process has not been played out and Paterno might not have known much (I find this argument hard to believe in view of the evidence) so he should not be vilified. Or if he did enough even if he had knowledge to not be vilified.

 

[golfballs]

Wouldn't info about these kids getting pimped have been uncovered in the grand jury proceedings?

 

[ItsDarwinism]

Has the rumor about 2nd Mile pimping the kids to donors been put to rest yet?

No, and I suspect (as crazy as it sounds), there may be something to this story.

I am of the belief that a very broad system of corruption is at the very core of this story, and that we will be shocked when the details surface. Paterno will get buried in the backwash of the coming developments.

 

[alumvol08]

hahahahahaa And what is all this "hang Joe" bull-****e? You guys dont know anything, you only THINK you have all the information and you dont. I dont know whats funnier, you telling me I'm the one "making assumptions" or all the hypocrites on this board claiming they know exactly what they would do had they been in Paterno's or McQueary's shoes. lol

Again, what the hell else do you need to know to make the decision to fire Paterno? You don't need every detail of every fact to make the decision that he needed to be fired. Why don't you stop the "everybody else is stupid but me" and actually state what other information you would have needed to fire Paterno. Because whether or not he should have been fired is the majority of the debate here.