Peyton Manning

[hatvol96]

The New York media is absolutely killing UT's golden alum. They are focusing on him tossing his teammates under the bus after the game. It is getting very nasty. I think they may be taking their frustration with Eli out on big brother.

 

[RealVol]

Honestly & frankly he did. Just because the Steelers didn't give him free yardage w his gyrations, and unloaded on him instead of his wr's doesn't make his playcalling the fault of his offensive line. Personally, I was rooting for the Colts all the way & have the utmost respect for Coach Dungy, but Peyton has the tendency to be a pouter if things don't go his way.

If you'll notice throughout his career, he's never taken responsibility for a loss or poor play. Sound like anyone we know? If you think NY is the only place making mention of this, you're absolutely wrong...

 

[hatvol96]

Honestly & frankly he did. Just because the Steelers didn't give him free yardage w his gyrations, and unloaded on him instead of his wr's doesn't make his playcalling the fault of his offensive line. Personally, I was rooting for the Colts all the way & have the utmost respect for Coach Dungy, but Peyton has the tendency to be a pouter if things don't go his way.

If you'll notice throughout his career, he's never taken responsibility for a loss or poor play. Sound like anyone we know? If you think NY is the only place making mention of this, you're absolutely wrong...

I didn't think New York was the only place. I'm just somewhat surprised at the ferocity of the criticism, given that Manning doesn't play for a New York team. The media here tends to act like if it doesn't happen in or involve New York, it can't be important.

 

[VolBeef88]

Honestly & frankly he did. Just because the Steelers didn't give him free yardage w his gyrations, and unloaded on him instead of his wr's doesn't make his playcalling the fault of his offensive line. Personally, I was rooting for the Colts all the way & have the utmost respect for Coach Dungy, but Peyton has the tendency to be a pouter if things don't go his way.

If you'll notice throughout his career, he's never taken responsibility for a loss or poor play. Sound like anyone we know? If you think NY is the only place making mention of this, you're absolutely wrong...

Your right. That is why so many of the analysts are calling this "very UNCHARACTERISTIC" of him. So now you will take this opportunity to use PM to go after Fulmer? Amazing!!!! He was pissed and made a statement. I'm sure he regrets it. We have all done this. The whole Colts team was flat. If you look at his numbers he did not have a bad day. Just not the kind of day that many have come to expect from him.
IMO here is what cost the Colts.

1. Flat as a team. Both sides of the ball for most of the game.
2. His TE and WR and TB were not picking up the hot reads and helping out on blitzes. How many times did you see him looking for help and have his hot routs looking down field because they missed the blitz.
3. O line was whipped all day. On their first drive on the goal line they only needed a couple and the O-line got beat.

Manning is the lightening rod because of who he is and how good he is. Until he wins a Super Bowl that will be what is said. Steve Young had the same problem and finally got the monkey off of his back.

 

[cd12]

Honestly & frankly he did. Just because the Steelers didn't give him free yardage w his gyrations, and unloaded on him instead of his wr's doesn't make his playcalling the fault of his offensive line. Personally, I was rooting for the Colts all the way & have the utmost respect for Coach Dungy, but Peyton has the tendency to be a pouter if things don't go his way.

If you'll notice throughout his career, he's never taken responsibility for a loss or poor play. Sound like anyone we know? If you think NY is the only place making mention of this, you're absolutely wrong...

Maybe thats something he picked up from Coach Fulmer?????????

 

[Mr. Rockytop]

Your right. That is why so many of the analysts are calling this "very UNCHARACTERISTIC" of him. So now you will take this opportunity to use PM to go after Fulmer? Amazing!!!! He was pissed and made a statement. I'm sure he regrets it. We have all done this. The whole Colts team was flat. If you look at his numbers he did not have a bad day. Just not the kind of day that many have come to expect from him.
IMO here is what cost the Colts.

1. Flat as a team. Both sides of the ball for most of the game.
2. His TE and WR and TB were not picking up the hot reads and helping out on blitzes. How many times did you see him looking for help and have his hot routs looking down field because they missed the blitz.
3. O line was whipped all day. On their first drive on the goal line they only needed a couple and the O-line got beat.

Manning is the lightening rod because of who he is and how good he is. Until he wins a Super Bowl that will be what is said. Steve Young had the same problem and finally got the monkey off of his back.

Peyton is a great quarterback :dance2: and may be considered the greatest quarterback to play the game :bow: . Whether he wins the Superbowl or not shouldn't affect his status as a great Qb. Even though I am not a fan of the :gun: dropback passer, Peyton is great, but he does have Marvin Harrison :dance2: , Edge James :dance2: , Reggie Wayne :dance2: , and Brandon Stokley :dance2: around him to make him complete. Now that I think about it, you do have to have a supporting cast around you as a dropback passer to be succesful these days in football !

 

[hatvol96]

Peyton is a great quarterback :dance2: and may be considered the greatest quarterback to play the game :bow: . Whether he wins the Superbowl or not shouldn't affect his status as a great Qb. Even though I am not a fan of the :gun: dropback passer, Peyton is great, but he does have Marvin Harrison :dance2: , Edge James :dance2: , Reggie Wayne :dance2: , and Brandon Stokley :dance2: around him to make him complete. Now that I think about it, you do have to have a supporting cast around you as a dropback passer to be succesful these days in football !

You left out Dallas Clark, he's among the best at his position.

 

[kiddiedoc]

What did I miss? All I've read is pretty much an accurate assessment of how the game went. Even a superstar QB can't succeed if he isn't protected. The Steelers took the same approach as the Chargers had a few weeks earlier, and it worked to perfection. All in all, the Colts got outplayed, at home, in front of a supercharged crowd.

Tough loss. Work in the offseason and come back strong.

 

[Mr. Rockytop]

You left out Dallas Clark, he's among the best at his position.

OMG you are right, no disrespect to Dallas Clark ,he is also a great player that makes Peyton complete.

 

[Mr. Rockytop]

What did I miss? All I've read is pretty much an accurate assessment of how the game went. Even a superstar QB can't succeed if he isn't protected. The Steelers took the same approach as the Chargers had a few weeks earlier, and it worked to perfection. All in all, the Colts got outplayed, at home, in front of a supercharged crowd.

Tough loss. Work in the offseason and come back strong.

Yeah the blitz by The Steelers was something else, that Troy Palahulahula or whatever his name is is going to be a force to deal with in his NFL career. I know Joey Porter made the sacks but Troy was the guy that the O-Line was focusing on and paying all the attention to him coming up the middle, that is why Porter was coming clean from the outside.

 

[hatvol96]

What did I miss? All I've read is pretty much an accurate assessment of how the game went. Even a superstar QB can't succeed if he isn't protected. The Steelers took the same approach as the Chargers had a few weeks earlier, and it worked to perfection. All in all, the Colts got outplayed, at home, in front of a supercharged crowd.

Tough loss. Work in the offseason and come back strong.

The New York media has really jumped on some comments that Manning made that have been interpreted here as follows, "We all know my teammates are the reason we lost. That said, I don't want to talk about the failures of my teammates." That's the spin the New York media has put on Manning's post game statements.

 

[BWeller18]

I did not read the whole statement, but from what I heard I honestly think it's directed more at Vanderjagt. Considering the feud they had before, and the fact that Vanderjagt missed a 45 yarder.

 

[volinbham]

The New York media has really jumped on some comments that Manning made that have been interpreted here as follows, "We all know my teammates are the reason we lost. That said, I don't want to talk about the failures of my teammates." That's the spin the New York media has put on Manning's post game statements.

What are the specific comments he made? I've read articles on cnnsi.com, espn.com and the IndyStar and I don't see any that could be construed that way. I didn't see any that even suggest it. Most are "it's disappointing...", "we just didn't get it done..." etc.

Also, I disagree with the poster that suggested PM never takes responsibility.

Finally, I find it interesting that the Colts losing is always viewed as his failure rather than a team failure. Cnnsi refers to a Manning jinx. Amazing how a story gets a life of its own. His perfect performances in play-off wins are completely forgotten (KC and Denver) while he gets blamed for each loss. Yesterday's loss was the result of 2 things: 1) Colts were flat; 2) Steelers played great. It wasn't PM's best game (not bad but not his best) but no Colts player had his best game.

 

[orange+white=heaven]

"People can blame Manning's offensive line. People can credit Pittsburgh's defense. But at the end of the day, who takes the fall? Like it or not, right now, it's Manning. Furthermore, Manning took a not-so-direct jab at his offensive line, saying, "I'm trying to be a good teammate here. Let's just say we had some problems with protection."

That constitutes a good teammate? You make the call. "

-Quoted from USA Today's Mike Lopresti


Thats about the worst I could find....

 

[Low Country Vol]

Perhaps taking it easy the last few weeks of the season when the media kept harping whether to rest their starters until the playoffs backfired. That is over a month of taking it easy and it obviously came hurt them. Had they played with the same intensity like they did the first 13 weeks they would have been better prepared.

 

[#10_Ainge_#10]

I did not read the whole statement, but from what I heard I honestly think it's directed more at Vanderjagt. Considering the feud they had before, and the fact that Vanderjagt missed a 45 yarder.

The man deserves to be beaten.......That's a chip shot, he'd make that in his sleep....Ole Mike "choke em up" Vanderjagt......Way to go buddy, way to cost your team the Super Bowl!

 

[hatvol96]

What are the specific comments he made? I've read articles on cnnsi.com, espn.com and the IndyStar and I don't see any that could be construed that way. I didn't see any that even suggest it. Most are "it's disappointing...", "we just didn't get it done..." etc.

Also, I disagree with the poster that suggested PM never takes responsibility.

Finally, I find it interesting that the Colts losing is always viewed as his failure rather than a team failure. Cnnsi refers to a Manning jinx. Amazing how a story gets a life of its own. His perfect performances in play-off wins are completely forgotten (KC and Denver) while he gets blamed for each loss. Yesterday's loss was the result of 2 things: 1) Colts were flat; 2) Steelers played great. It wasn't PM's best game (not bad but not his best) but no Colts player had his best game.

The comment that ESPN ran last night was something to the effect of "I know everyone is going to want to talk about the performance of parts of our team. I'm not going to do that." That's not verbatim, bit I think that gives an accurate synopsis of his comments. Manning gets more credit than he deserves when they win, he gets more blame than he deeserves when they lose. It's the nature of the QB position.

 

[volinbham]

This is from a NY Post article - I assume it's where the flak is coming from:

Afterward, Manning even took a different tact than usual when asked to describe his teammates' troubles.

"I'm looking for a safe word here, I don't want to be a bad teammate," Manning said. "Pittsburgh gave us trouble and put us in some situations we're not usually in."


So it appears he was asked if other players screwed up - and he diplomatically skirted the question.

Also it is implied that even the quote is out of character for PM.

Again I'll reiterate the "he can't get it done in the playoffs" that exists in all the stories.

He was 22/38 (58%) for 290 and a TD. Not bad by any stretch of the imgination. Here's the view from the NYP article.

The intro:

"The Colts' high-powered offense looked ordinary, and Manning himself looked like anything but a two-time MVP for three quarters. The result was predictable: Indianapolis failed to reach the Super Bowl again.

Manning is now 3-6 all-time in the postseason, a mark that could define his otherwise stellar career. Legacies weren't Manning's concern Sunday, though."

The disclaimer:

"The other truth was that Manning wasn't entirely to blame. He was a subpar 22-of-38 for 290 yards with one touchdown. But it was the five sacks, the constant hurries, the continual knockdowns that took a toll on the six-time Pro Bowl selection.

His receivers broke off routes shorter than Manning expected; his blockers played like ghosts; the Colts' improved defense gave up two early touchdown drives; and Mike Vanderjagt, the NFL's most accurate kicker, pushed a potentially tying 46-yard field goal wide right with 17 seconds left."

I especially like the "wasn't entirely to blame" followed by statements showing that the O-line, receivers, RB's, Defense and kicker all screwed up. :blink:

 

[hatvol96]

The man deserves to be beaten.......That's a chip shot, he'd make that in his sleep....Ole Mike "choke em up" Vanderjagt......Way to go buddy, way to cost your team the Super Bowl!

Yeah, real choker. That's the first playoff field goal he's missed. I guess it was him who threw the ball to Ty Law about a hundred times in the playoffs two years ago and I guess he's the reason the Jets shut them out in '02 and I guess he's the reason they couldn't score a meaningful TD against the Patriots last year. You're right, the Colts would be a dynasty if it weren't for the most accurate kicker in NFL history.

 

[volinbham]

Yeah, real choker. That's the first playoff field goal he's missed. I guess it was him who threw the ball to Ty Law about a hundred times in the playoffs two years ago and I guess he's the reason the Jets shut them out in '02 and I guess he's the reason they couldn't score a meaningful TD against the Patriots last year. You're right, the Colts would be a dynasty if it weren't for the most accurate kicker in NFL history.

Yeah, and Peyton let the Patriots rush for over 200 yards last year...

 

[VolBeef88]

Yeah, real choker. That's the first playoff field goal he's missed. I guess it was him who threw the ball to Ty Law about a hundred times in the playoffs two years ago and I guess he's the reason the Jets shut them out in '02 and I guess he's the reason they couldn't score a meaningful TD against the Patriots last year. You're right, the Colts would be a dynasty if it weren't for the most accurate kicker in NFL history.

Your right hat. PM sucks. He did nothing at or for UT and now he is a drain on Indy. But the real person to blame here is CPF. Before Manning came to UT he was a winner but after 4 years with Fulmer he is now the biggest loser of all time.


do you feel better now?

 

[hatvol96]

Yeah, and Peyton let the Patriots rush for over 200 yards last year...

Not saying Manning's to blame. Just pointing out that their playoff woes have very little to do with Vanderjagct. The New York Post isn't really the source of the attacks on Manning. Most of it is coming from the local TV guys and talk show hosts like Mike Francesca.

 

[volinbham]

Manning gets more credit than he deserves when they win, he gets more blame than he deeserves when they lose. It's the nature of the QB position.

I totally agree with that as the nature of the QB position. What I'm talking about is the extra emphasis on PM as someone who can't win in the playoffs. Because that is presumed to be fact, every loss is blamed on him - see the quotes from the NYP article I posted that openly admit virtually no-one on the team played well and say that PM is not entirely to blame after just saying he was.

As I said before - he had two of the highest (if not the highest) rated QB performances in history yet the legacy is that he is sub-par (when he had a statistically better game than most of the other QBs in the playoffs).

 

[volinbham]

Not saying Manning's to blame. Just pointing out that their playoff woes have very little to do with Vanderjagct. The New York Post isn't really the source of the attacks on Manning. Most of it is coming from the local TV guys and talk show hosts like Mike Francesca.

I hear ya eace2: . The loss was a "team effort" by both teams.

 

[hatvol96]

Your right hat. PM sucks. He did nothing at or for UT and now he is a drain on Indy. But the real person to blame here is CPF. Before Manning came to UT he was a winner but after 4 years with Fulmer he is now the biggest loser of all time.
do you feel better now?

I don't have anything to feel better about. I hadn't given Fulmer more than a passing thought since the season essentially ended with the Vanderbilt loss, and probably won't until mid August.