Peyton Manning

(utfantilidie @ Jan 17 said:

No, an A+ would be above a 4.0, however, most institutions (including UT Knoxville) do not give A+. The grade point scale looks like this.

A 4.0
B+ 3.5
B 3.0
C+ 2.5
C 2.0
D 1.0

And, no I didn't expect Manning do major in something that is actually worth the out of state tuition at UT, he doesn't ever need a sit down job. However, being handed a 3.5 in communications is not even on the same level as earning a 2.5 in engineering, accounting, finance, chemistry, etc. Or, an easier way to say this is, a B.A. doesn't hold a candle to a B.S.
 
(9296potsguy @ Jan 17 said:
What did you expect Peyton to major in? Law? He was a lock to be good in the NFL. Communications makes sense to me since he might want to call games after his career is over.

No, you don't major in Law...sorry. That is a post graduate field.
 
I think it's pretty weak to be bashing Peyton's GPA. How ridiculous is that?
 
(Orangewhiteblood @ Jan 17 said:
I think it's pretty weak to be bashing Peyton's GPA. How ridiculous is that?

If you don't want it bashed then don't introduce it as evidence in an argument over Peyton's greatness...
 
(Leonard Shelby @ Jan 17 said:
If you don't want it bashed then don't introduce it as evidence in an argument over Peyton's greatness...

I didn't. I'm just amazed that anyone would hate him enough to debate whether he had an A or B GPA. Who cares? He's also got over $100 million dollars. He can buy an A if he wants.
 
(Orangewhiteblood @ Jan 17 said:
I didn't. I'm just amazed that anyone would hate him enough to debate whether he had an A or B GPA. Who cares? He's also got over $100 million dollars. He can buy an A if he wants.

So, you have to hate someone to clarify a fact about their past??? I guess Jamal Lewis didn't distribute narcotics either??? Because saying so would mean that I hate him.
 
(Leonard Shelby @ Jan 17 said:
So, you have to hate someone to clarify a fact about their past??? I guess Jamal Lewis didn't distribute narcotics either??? Because saying so would mean that I hate him.

:rolleyes:
 
(Orangewhiteblood @ Jan 17 said:

I am not going to apologize because of my opinion that Peyton is not a great quarterback. Your opinions are that he is. Yet, I use different stats to measure greatness. A lot of people might look to Mannings passer rating, efficiency, TDs, yards, etc. as the stats that matter. I look to what he signed his contract to do, win championships and playoff games. He is 3-6 in the playoffs, 0 Superbowl appearances. If the Colts make the playoffs next year he will be the only QB in NFL history to start 10 playoff games without a Superbowl appearance. When I think of great QBs I think of playoff magic (because the QBs job is actually to be the leader of the team, IMO.) Playoff records:

Roger Staubach (12-6) 2 SB wins
Joe Theisman (6-2) SB win
Brett Favre (11-8) SB win
Steve Young (8-6) SB win
Jim Plunkett (8-2) 2 SB wins
John Elway (14-8) 2 SB wins
Troy Aikman (11-5) 3 SB wins
Terry Bradshaw (14-5) 4 SB Wins
Bart Starr (9-1) 2 SB Wins (1 NFL Champ.)
Joe Montana (16-7) 4 SB wins
Tom Brady(10-1) 3 SB wins

CLUTCH
 
(Leonard Shelby @ Jan 17 said:
If the Colts make the playoffs next year he will be the only QB in NFL history to start 10 playoff games without a Superbowl appearance.

He'll actually join Moon, Brunell, and someone else, don't remember who, to have started 10 playoff games with no SB appearance, but carry on.
 
(Leonard Shelby @ Jan 17 said:
So, you have to hate someone to clarify a fact about their past??? I guess Jamal Lewis didn't distribute narcotics either??? Because saying so would mean that I hate him.
Actually, he was never even accused of distributing narcotics. His offense was introducing individuals to each other, knowing they intended to distribute narcotics.
 
Were it not for the usual play of Peyton Manning, James and Harrison would be very average NFL players.

It is the greatness of Manning that has caused the receiving corps of the Colts to shine. And he's done it with a horrible defense up until this year.

The truth of the matter is, his line choked like an octogenarian on a tough steak.

And yet he still got his team in position to get it to overtime and the kicker choked too.
 
(OldVol @ Jan 18 said:
And yet he still got his team in position to get it to overtime and the kicker choked too.

Harper helped out with getting them in position too. I'm still trying to figure out how he couldn't avoid Big Ben. He takes that for a touchdown and we're not having this conversation. Lots of little thing contributed to that loss.


 

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(Leonard Shelby @ Jan 17 said:
I am not going to apologize because of my opinion that Peyton is not a great quarterback. Your opinions are that he is. Yet, I use different stats to measure greatness. A lot of people might look to Mannings passer rating, efficiency, TDs, yards, etc. as the stats that matter. I look to what he signed his contract to do, win championships and playoff games. He is 3-6 in the playoffs, 0 Superbowl appearances. If the Colts make the playoffs next year he will be the only QB in NFL history to start 10 playoff games without a Superbowl appearance. When I think of great QBs I think of playoff magic (because the QBs job is actually to be the leader of the team, IMO.) Playoff records:

Roger Staubach (12-6) 2 SB wins
Joe Theisman (6-2) SB win
Brett Favre (11-8) SB win
Steve Young (8-6) SB win
Jim Plunkett (8-2) 2 SB wins
John Elway (14-8) 2 SB wins
Troy Aikman (11-5) 3 SB wins
Terry Bradshaw (14-5) 4 SB Wins
Bart Starr (9-1) 2 SB Wins (1 NFL Champ.)
Joe Montana (16-7) 4 SB wins
Tom Brady(10-1) 3 SB wins

CLUTCH


Trent dilfer is better the peyton manning based on your argument.
 
(Leonard Shelby @ Jan 17 said:
Roger Staubach (12-6) 2 SB wins
Joe Theisman (6-2) SB win
Brett Favre (11-8) SB win
Steve Young (8-6) SB win
Jim Plunkett (8-2) 2 SB wins
John Elway (14-8) 2 SB wins
Troy Aikman (11-5) 3 SB wins
Terry Bradshaw (14-5) 4 SB Wins
Bart Starr (9-1) 2 SB Wins (1 NFL Champ.)
Joe Montana (16-7) 4 SB wins
Tom Brady(10-1) 3 SB wins

CLUTCH
YOu know what, i don't have a problem with this list, but i'm curious to know what your opinion of John Elway was before he won any super bowls? what you opinion of Jim Kelly, Dan Marino are now?
 
(OldVol @ Jan 18 said:
Were it not for the usual play of Peyton Manning, James and Harrison would be very average NFL players.

It is the greatness of Manning that has caused the receiving corps of the Colts to shine. And he's done it with a horrible defense up until this year.

The truth of the matter is, his line choked like an octogenarian on a tough steak.

And yet he still got his team in position to get it to overtime and the kicker choked too.
That's an interesting take. I guess we'll get actual evidence one way or the other when Edge plays somewhere else. Just an aside, everyone points to the SEC championship game as a big game Peyton won. So, he lost to Florida with Mark Levine at RB, won the SEC Championsip with Jamal Lewis at RB in '97. Didn't make the playoffs without Edge in Indy, is a playoff staple with him. Just something to think about. Of course, most of the Manningites on this board think Manning could QB Soddy Daisy High to the Super Bowl, so it's generally a waste of time to point out all the talented players around him.
 
Post all you like, they are bias and meaningless.Who cares what your opinion is? :dunno: Knock yourself out!







:moon2:
 
(hatvol96 @ Jan 18 said:
That's an interesting take. I guess we'll get actual evidence one way or the other when Edge plays somewhere else. Just an aside, everyone points to the SEC championship game as a big game Peyton won. So, he lost to Florida with Mark Levine at RB, won the SEC Championsip with Jamal Lewis at RB in '97. Didn't make the playoffs without Edge in Indy, is a playoff staple with him. Just something to think about. Of course, most of the Manningites on this board think Manning could QB Soddy Daisy High to the Super Bowl, so it's generally a waste of time to point out all the talented players around him.

Since I've made so many posts in this thread, I assume in your mind I'm a Manningite. My point all along is that it takes talented players all around ANY QB for the team to win a championship. I'll reiterate - I think the label that PM can't win the big one is bogus and a convenient story line to explain any Colts loss. The wins are team wins and the losses are team losses.
 
(orange+white=heaven @ Jan 18 said:
Soddy Daisy know you're dissing them?
Not dissing, SD I just think they also might have a little trouble picking up Pittsburgh's blitz.
 
(utfantilidie @ Jan 18 said:
Post all you like, they are bias and meaningless.Who cares what your opinion is? :dunno: Knock yourself out!
:moon2:
Great post. Do you teach a class in debate tactics?
 
Manning is a very smart guy and is a great QB. BUT....he isn't a Marino, Elway, Montana, Kelly, etc. He isn't in that league.

Aikman and Brady have won 3 Superbowls each and they aren't in the same league as Marino, Elway, Montana, and Kelly either. The Cowboy and Pats teams at the time had a lot to do with getting those wins. Just because you win multiple Superbowls and break a few records doesn't mean that you are one of the best QB's ever.

I have a lot of respect for Manning, but the media hypes him way too much in my opinion.
 
It wasn't my intention to diminish James or Harrison's roles. My belief is that without a great QB getting the receivers in good places to make plays the run game is a non-factor.

Of the teams still in the playoffs most of them were in the top 10 in the league in rushing. But, they all had great QBs who took pressure off the run game.

I don't think James arrival had as much to do with the Colt's winning as did the fact that the team as a whole had to be built around Manning after the 99 draft. So, I think it's a little disingenuous to correlate James arrival with the Colts improvement. Certainly he helped, but I don't think he'd be as successful if he were playing for a team that couldn't throw the ball as effectively as Manning and crew throw it.

Manning will win a Super Bowl if the Colts keep the core together and continue to draft and use free-agency to improve their defense. In fact, I think he'll win more than one if they keep the core together. I also believe he'll hold more NFL records when he retires than any other QB. He's still relatively young and he holds some records now. He's never had a problem with injuries and is one of the smartest QBs to ever play the game. It does go without saying that no QB, regardless of how good, intelligent, or any other factor placed here ______ can play well when the line doesn't block. Let's face it. The line did a lousy job for the Colts Sunday. If Peyton gives TVs to the line this year, they should be 6" screens. Maybe the narrow view will help them to focus on their play next time they're in the playoffs.
 
(OldVol @ Jan 18 said:
It wasn't my intention to diminish James or Harrison's roles. My belief is that without a great QB getting the receivers in good places to make plays the run game is a non-factor.

Of the teams still in the playoffs most of them were in the top 10 in the league in rushing. But, they all had great QBs who took pressure off the run game.

I don't think James arrival had as much to do with the Colt's winning as did the fact that the team as a whole had to be built around Manning after the 99 draft. So, I think it's a little disingenuous to correlate James arrival with the Colts improvement. Certainly he helped, but I don't think he'd be as successful if he were playing for a team that couldn't throw the ball as effectively as Manning and crew throw it.

Manning will win a Super Bowl if the Colts keep the core together and continue to draft and use free-agency to improve their defense. In fact, I think he'll win more than one if they keep the core together. I also believe he'll hold more NFL records when he retires than any other QB. He's still relatively young and he holds some records now. He's never had a problem with injuries and is one of the smartest QBs to ever play the game. It does go without saying that no QB, regardless of how good, intelligent, or any other factor placed here ______ can play well when the line doesn't block. Let's face it. The line did a lousy job for the Colts Sunday. If Peyton gives TVs to the line this year, they should be 6" screens. Maybe the narrow view will help them to focus on their play next time they're in the playoffs.
I agree that the Colts improvement wasn't solely attributable to Edge. However, I do think he's an elite back who would thrive anywhere. That's what elite backs do. Look at the impressive numbers Corey Dillon put up with some wretched Bengals units. Also, we have to keep in mind that he's doing all this after a serious knee injury. I'd take him on my team in a heartbeat.
 

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