Phillies trade for Cliff Lee!

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Phillies get: Cliff Lee & Ben Francisco

Indians get: Jason Knapp, Carlos Carrasco, Jason Donald, & Lou Marson
 
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The Phillies just locked up the division title, great move for them. I think this most likely makes them the team to beat in September. It'll be interesting to see what the Dodgers do to respond.
 
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Some guys are really good pitching for lousy teams when there's no pressure. Check out Lee's numbers the last season Cleveland was in contention.
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hatvol96 said:
Some guys are really good pitching for lousy teams when there's no pressure. Check out Lee's numbers the last season Cleveland was in contention.
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Would you say the same thing about Halladay?
 
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Top-shelf pitchers typically don't have their first good season at age 29. Lee's good, but if this is what the Phillies are going to have to settle for instead of Roy Halladay, then I'd say they just struck out.
 
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Moving from the AL to the NL will make him look better than people think.

It's just not as good of a league.
 
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Cliff Lee isn't a Roy Haladay any means but the Phills didn't give up a lot either.

Knapp is good but young, Carrasco is probably a #3, and Marson and Donald are all glove and no stick going forward.
 
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UTLCA said:
Moving from the AL to the NL will make him look better than people think.

It's just not as good of a league.
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I think the exact opposite. He is not going to be pitching against the AL central anymore. NL east is alot better than the AL central. He is a rollercoaster of a pitcher
 
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Those divisions are comparable in my opinion...Mets and Nats are worse than anyone in the ALC, no one on the Marlins bats over .290 but Hanley, and the Braves are playing well right now, but Lee has shut down better lineups than ones with Garrett Anderson batting 5th.
 
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As a Dodger fan, I'm glad the Phils got Lee. That means L.A. wasn't dumb enough to give up either Billingsley or Kershaw as Cleveland was wanting. With that being said, we need some bullpen help to set up Broxton.
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
How old was Lee in 2005?
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Yeah, you're right -- I guess 2005 counts as a good season. Gaudy W/L record but a relatively middling ERA. My point was that Lee has been in the majors for six years, and in only one season has he looked like a top-flight, ace-type pitcher. Of course he makes the Phillies better, but this isn't the turn-the-lights-out move that getting Halladay would have been.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Yeah, you're right -- I guess 2005 counts as a good season. Gaudy W/L record but a relatively middling ERA. My point was that Lee has been in the majors for six years, and in only one season has he looked like a top-flight, ace-type pitcher. Of course he makes the Phillies better, but this isn't the turn-the-lights-out move that getting Halladay would have been.
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And it also didn't cost near the prospects Halladay would have.
 
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I think you're discounting Lee a bit. If he was on the Phillies this whole year he may have won 15 games already...
 
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vols kick balls said:
And it also didn't cost near the prospects Halladay would have.
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There are very, very few prospects I wouldn't happily trade away to get a guy like Halladay if I were the Phillies GM. You're the reigning champ, you're still in full-on Win Now mode, and you can add arguably the best pitcher in the game for two more runs at a title. They've got to win right now, while this nucleus of guys is still together. Who cares about prospects if you're the Phillies?

VOLinthaATL said:
I think you're discounting Lee a bit. If he was on the Phillies this whole year he may have won 15 games already...
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I am only discounting him in comparison to Halladay, since it had begun to seem inevitable that they were going to get him. Lee's a really good pitcher. But he's not oh-shiat scary like Halladay would have been.
 
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GAVol said:
My sentiments exactly. Yes, it makes the Phillies better, but it's not exactly a blockbuster move.
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I agree. I'm not even sure if I'm comfortable with the title of this thread ending in an exclamation point.
 
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