Playing at The Shoe - some things many may not know

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I attended grad school in the 90's at Ohio State but never became a fan. I appreciated my education there and the school but I grew up an hour from Knoxville and my entire family attended UTK - my blood runs Pantone 151. But here are a few factoids about Ohio Stadium that most of us wouldn't necessarily know about the place.
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- it was the home to the "Buckeye Bullet"....the great Jesse Owens (who was born in Alabama but moved to Cleveland with family at age 9). He was not given a scholarship to OSU and had to live in a "blacks only" boarding house on 11th avenue. He won a reported 42 consecutive events which if correct surely will never be repeated.
- the original track was a crushed cinder oval and was covered over when the stadium was later renovated/expanded, but he indeed ran his events in that stadium.
- the stadium was constructed in 1922 and held an impressive 66,000 for football games.
- Owens became friends with his German competitor Carl "Luz" Long in the 1936 Olympics and visited Long's son after the war (1951). There is controversy/disagreement about Luz Long's death on 14 July 1943 - the day of the Biscari Massacre in Sicily. A recent British book (2021) claims Long died by machine gun fire in the "Biscari Massacre" by an Army sergeant Horace West.....but while Long did die on this day, it is also more commonly reported elsewhere that he was injured on 10 July and died from those battle wounds on that Wednesday the 14th (in the same area and on the same day of the Massacre but likely not a part of that terrible event).
- It seems btw, a war myth that Long wrote a letter to Owens during the war asking that he explain to Luz son Kai "how things can be between men on this earth". Doubtful that a letter could be posted to America from the battlefield along with the suggestion that it was sent from N. Africa where Long never served. Just a curious little footnote in history that I find fascinating.
But their friendship was real, and Owens did visit Kai in Germany in 1951. It has also been suggested that German Olympic heroes were usually kept off the front lines in safer postings and one wonders if Luz Long's embrace of Owens that day in Berlin could have eventually cost him his life thanks to the affront many in Germany (including Herr H.) felt from this friendship.

In any case, I trust all the above is correct - amazing how much history gets twisted in the telling - but this is an important shrine to athletics and an upset here would mean even more than most Vols might have imagined.
 
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certain athletes transcend school loyalty. Jesse Owens and Jim Thorpe are certainly two such individuals. What Owens did in Berlin is something every American can rightly take pride in, forever.
That's a fantastic comparison. Only about a decade before Jesse Owens arrives in Columbus, Jim Thorpe was called about 50 miles north to become Head Coach of the Oorang Indians. They were one of the early NFL franchises owned by an Airedale dog breeding operation. The Thorpe-coached Indians (with a roster of only Native American players) were a nationwide sensation (and they frequently played in Columbus).

Their biggest contribution to modern football was inventing the halftime show.
 
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That's a fantastic comparison. Only about a decade before Jesse Owens arrives in Columbus, Jim Thorpe was called about 50 miles north to become Head Coach of the Oorang Indians. They were one of the early NFL franchises owned by an Airedale dog breeding operation. The Thorpe-coached Indians (with a roster of only Native American players) were a nationwide sensation (and they frequently played in Columbus).

Their biggest contribution to modern football was inventing the halftime show.
Cool factoid!
 
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A small percentage of us Vol fans have already experienced a game in “the shoe.” I am included in that small group having attended a game in the fall of 1969. This would have been at the height of their dominance on the national stage. I don’t know what it’s like these days, but in 1969 it in NO WAY compared to Neyland or other SEC venues as far as crowds and level of noise. Compared to the big SEC games today it more resembled a wake! I couldn’t believe that many people could be so quiet!
 
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A small percentage of us Vol fans have already experienced a game in “the shoe.” I am included in that small group having attended a game in the fall of 1969. This would have been at the height of their dominance on the national stage. I don’t know what it’s like these days, but in 1969 it in NO WAY compared to Neyland or other SEC venues as far as crowds and level of noise. Compared to the big SEC games today it more resembled a wake! I couldn’t believe that many people could be so quiet!
Rex Kern The QB?
 
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A small percentage of us Vol fans have already experienced a game in “the shoe.” I am included in that small group having attended a game in the fall of 1969. This would have been at the height of their dominance on the national stage. I don’t know what it’s like these days, but in 1969 it in NO WAY compared to Neyland or other SEC venues as far as crowds and level of noise. Compared to the big SEC games today it more resembled a wake! I couldn’t believe that many people could be so quiet!
Vol games were pretty tame in those days too compared to today…esp the west side stands. The student section was a different matter altogether.
 
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Here are some historic photos.

Created as Ohio Field in 1912. Capacity 500

1912_michigan_ohio_field.jpg


First home game against Michigan:

1915_before_ohio_stadium.jpg

First steel going up in 1921:

nd_stadium_construction_mac.jpg


Dedication Game against Michigan in 1922:

1922_stadium_dedication.jpg


1946 South before bleachers:

1946_bleachers.jpg


South Student Bleacher section added in 1966:

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Outside of the addition of the south bleachers, it pretty much looks the same as it did when it opened up in 1922.

1976_ohio_stadium_intro_image.jpg


It still has the Original stone-carved buckeyes in the cathedral entrance. The stained glass was changed with time.

The-Shoe-Columbus-web-size.jpg
 
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Here are some historic photos.

Created as Ohio Field in 1912. Capacity 500

1912_michigan_ohio_field.jpg


First home game against Michigan:

1915_before_ohio_stadium.jpg

First steel going up in 1921:

nd_stadium_construction_mac.jpg


Dedication Game against Michigan in 1922:

1922_stadium_dedication.jpg


1946 South before bleachers:

1946_bleachers.jpg


South Student Bleacher section added in 1966:

1996_football_vs_rice.jpg


Outside of the addition of the south bleachers, it pretty much looks the same as it did when it opened up in 1922.

1976_ohio_stadium_intro_image.jpg


It still has the Original stone-carved buckeyes in the cathedral entrance. The stained glass was changed with time.

The-Shoe-Columbus-web-size.jpg
Ohio Field was a different venue than the current Ohio Stadium. It was located on N. High Street (about a half mile from The Shoe). Ohio Stadium didn't open until 1922.
 
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Like the OP, I too attended grad school at OSU. I was there from’78-‘82 earning a PhD in organic chemistry. Attended most all their home games during those four years because: 1) I love college football, 2) tickets were free, 3) enjoyed laughing at delusional B10/Buckeye fans who were always trying to convince me that the B10 was as good as the SEC. I was born and raised in Johnson City and from 1968-1977 attended every UT home game at Neyland with my dad. Orange blood runs deep and I never became an OSU fan. A few years after I graduated, they added “the” in front of their name which turned me even more against their brand. Incredible arrogance! My degree, however, served me well as I just retired after a 42 year career in research. Saturday night I will be cheering my Vols on, sipping an adult beverage and hoping we become the domino that gets their coach fired.
 
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I attended grad school in the 90's at Ohio State but never became a fan. I appreciated my education there and the school but I grew up an hour from Knoxville and my entire family attended UTK - my blood runs Pantone 151. But here are a few factoids about Ohio Stadium that most of us wouldn't necessarily know about the place.
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- it was the home to the "Buckeye Bullet"....the great Jesse Owens (who was born in Alabama but moved to Cleveland with family at age 9). He was not given a scholarship to OSU and had to live in a "blacks only" boarding house on 11th avenue. He won a reported 42 consecutive events which if correct surely will never be repeated.
- the original track was a crushed cinder oval and was covered over when the stadium was later renovated/expanded, but he indeed ran his events in that stadium.
- the stadium was constructed in 1922 and held an impressive 66,000 for football games.
- Owens became friends with his German competitor Carl "Luz" Long in the 1936 Olympics and visited Long's son after the war (1951). There is controversy/disagreement about Luz Long's death on 14 July 1943 - the day of the Biscari Massacre in Sicily. A recent British book (2021) claims Long died by machine gun fire in the "Biscari Massacre" by an Army sergeant Horace West.....but while Long did die on this day, it is also more commonly reported elsewhere that he was injured on 10 July and died from those battle wounds on that Wednesday the 14th (in the same area and on the same day of the Massacre but likely not a part of that terrible event).
- It seems btw, a war myth that Long wrote a letter to Owens during the war asking that he explain to Luz son Kai "how things can be between men on this earth". Doubtful that a letter could be posted to America from the battlefield along with the suggestion that it was sent from N. Africa where Long never served. Just a curious little footnote in history that I find fascinating.
But their friendship was real, and Owens did visit Kai in Germany in 1951. It has also been suggested that German Olympic heroes were usually kept off the front lines in safer postings and one wonders if Luz Long's embrace of Owens that day in Berlin could have eventually cost him his life thanks to the affront many in Germany (including Herr H.) felt from this friendship.

In any case, I trust all the above is correct - amazing how much history gets twisted in the telling - but this is an important shrine to athletics and an upset here would mean even more than most Vols might have imagined.

Jesse Owens and Jim Thorpe are the greatest Olympians.
 
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My Grandfather, from Ohio, played at OSU in 1923. He was injured in practice and paid the price in pain for the rest of his life. His Brother, Todd, was also there a couple of years later. He became an Architect. His designs were heralded in Architectural Digest and he designed many of the buildings on OSU campus, to include the Student Union. Rumor has it he designed one of the 1960s upgrades to the stadium, but I have found no factual evidence of that.
 
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My Grandfather, from Ohio, played at OSU in 1923. He was injured in practice and paid the price in pain for the rest of his life. His Brother, Todd, was also their a couple of years later. He became an Architect. His designs were heralded in Architectural Digest an he designed many of the buildings on OSU campus, to include the Student Union. Rumor has it he designed one of the 1960s upgrades to the stadium, but I have found no factual evidence of that.
Is your uncle Todd Tibbals? He's kind of a legend in Central Ohio. He ran the very powerful Columbus Home Builders association and was one of the top ranked amateur golfers in a city that loves golf!
 
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Is your uncle Todd Tibbals? He's kind of a legend in Central Ohio. He ran the very powerful Columbus Home Builders association and was one of the top ranked amateur golfers in a city that loves golf!
Indeed he was. He and Granddad died within 18 months of each other. Todd went to Scotland every year and played pro-am with the greats. Someone stole my picture of him with Jack Nicklaus and Lee Trevino. Todd had hit a hole in one. The brothers were a dynamo. Charles (G'dad) was a spectacular engineer and Todd was the imagination. They built and developed German Village, Warrington and other communities after WWII. About 4,000 of the homes are still owned and managed by Todds son. Charles went on to be the world's largest hardwood flooring producer.
 
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Indeed he was. He and Granddad died within 18 months of each other. Todd went to Scotland every year and played pro-am with the greats. Someone stole my picture of him with Jack Nicklaus and Lee Trevino. Todd had hit a hole in one. The brothers were a dynamo. Charles (G'dad) was a spectacular engineer and Todd was the imagination. They built and developed German Village, Warrington and other communities after WWII. About 4,000 of the homes are still owned and managed by Todds son. Charles went on to be the world's largest hardwood flooring producer.
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One of the photos of him popped up a few years ago when Tom Weiskopf passed away. It's very cool he knew Tom... who was a great golfer and an even better golf course architect!
 
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One of the photos of him popped up a few years ago when Tom Weiskopf passed away. It's very cool he knew Tom... who was a great golfer and an even better golf course architect!
The "Bear" lived about 3 blocks away from Todd in Upper Arlington. I never met him while visiting.
Different pic, but I like it.
 
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Looks like the stands are further away from the field…..especially the one end zone.
There is no way that place is even close to being as loud as Neyland.
In Neyland the stands are close…. Both levels…. It’s a snake pit.
 
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Like the OP, I too attended grad school at OSU. I was there from’78-‘82 earning a PhD in organic chemistry. Attended most all their home games during those four years because: 1) I love college football, 2) tickets were free, 3) enjoyed laughing at delusional B10/Buckeye fans who were always trying to convince me that the B10 was as good as the SEC. I was born and raised in Johnson City and from 1968-1977 attended every UT home game at Neyland with my dad. Orange blood runs deep and I never became an OSU fan. A few years after I graduated, they added “the” in front of their name which turned me even more against their brand. Incredible arrogance! My degree, however, served me well as I just retired after a 42 year career in research. Saturday night I will be cheering my Vols on, sipping an adult beverage and hoping we become the domino that gets their coach fired.
We got lots in common brother. Nice post
 
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One of the photos of him popped up a few years ago when Tom Weiskopf passed away. It's very cool he knew Tom... who was a great golfer and an even better golf course architect!
View attachment 707360
One of the photos of him popped up a few years ago when Tom Weiskopf passed away. It's very cool he knew Tom... who was a great golfer and an even better golf course architect!
By the way, if you were ever fortunate enough to play golf on the Scarlet Course, there used to be a plaque somewhere that listed all the par 4's on Scarlet that The Bear could routinely drive from the tee. It's true that tree tops are higher now making that feat more difficult, but he was an absolute cannon off the tee in his college days. Scarlet (at par of 71) is rated over 76 from the "Buckeye" tees and I never came close to par....I believe i scored a 79 once. Many, many a happy evening were spent on that golf course in the early 90's when I was in grad school there. Loved that Scarlet course. Set up so beautifully and difficult but fair.
 
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By the way, if you were ever fortunate enough to play golf on the Scarlet Course, there used to be a plaque somewhere that listed all the par 4's on Scarlet that The Bear could routinely drive from the tee. It's true that tree tops are higher now making that feat more difficult, but he was an absolute cannon off the tee in his college days. Scarlet (at par of 71) is rated over 76 from the "Buckeye" tees and I never came close to par....I believe i scored a 79 once. Many, many a happy evening were spent on that golf course in the early 90's when I was in grad school there. Loved that Scarlet course. Set up so beautifully and difficult but fair.
You can't go wrong with a course designed by Alister MacKenzie. Most people don't realize that Columbus is a golf mecca. Pretty much every major golf course architect (outside of Old Tom Morris) has built a course around Columbus.
 
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