Poll: Do You Support the Black Lives Matter Movement?

Do you support the Black Lives Matter movement?

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NashVol11

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Title says it all. Not a gotcha question, and I don't have an angle other than that I've seen some "yes"s that have (pleasantly) surprised me. Options are yes and no, so resolve all "what's the goal" or "what about the organization" or "what about this unsavory representative" dilemmas by choosing one of those or neither.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Title says it all. Not a gotcha question, and I don't have an angle other than that I've seen some "yes"s that have (pleasantly) surprised me. Options are yes and no, so resolve all "what's the goal" or "what about the organization" or "what about this unsavory representative" dilemmas by choosing one of those or neither.
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Not no, but HE11 NO!
 
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From their own website (which it looks like they have modified over the last few months). The last thing this group wants is for hetero black men to be leading the homes, which is THE biggest problem facing the black community, not police. I didn't say police were not a problem, I saying that police are not the biggest problem. Their entire agenda is Marxist, anti-family trash as far as I'm concerned. Some goofy ish...

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

We are guided by the fact that all Black lives matter, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, economic status, ability, disability, religious beliefs or disbeliefs, immigration status, or location.

We make space for transgender brothers and sisters to participate and lead.

We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.

We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered.

We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts.

We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).

We cultivate an intergenerational and communal network free from ageism. We believe that all people, regardless of age, show up with the capacity to lead and learn.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
From their own website (which it looks like they have modified over the last few months). The last thing this group wants is for hetero black men to be leading the homes, which is THE biggest problem facing the black community, not police. I didn't say police were not a problem, I saying that police are not the biggest problem. Their entire agenda is Marxist, anti-family trash as far as I'm concerned. Some goofy ish...

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

We are guided by the fact that all Black lives matter, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, economic status, ability, disability, religious beliefs or disbeliefs, immigration status, or location.

We make space for transgender brothers and sisters to participate and lead.

We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.

We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered.

We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts.

We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).

We cultivate an intergenerational and communal network free from ageism. We believe that all people, regardless of age, show up with the capacity to lead and learn.
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Yep. I don’t see how you can read their own mission statement and think they are a good agent for change. They are an agent for change indeed. And they need to fail.
 
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No. But if they focused on these few things which actually would improve the lives of blacks I could get on board:
Let children get out of failing schools
Work with dads on how to actually be dads and not get 10 different women pregnant
Work with parents to get married
Encourage parents to stop teaching their kids they are and will always be victims
 
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volfanjustin said:
No. But if they focused on these few things which actually would improve the lives of blacks I could get on board:
Let children get out of failing schools
Work with dads on how to actually be dads and not get 10 different women pregnant
Work with parents to get married
Encourage parents to stop teaching their kids they are and will always be victims
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All the blame placed on the men, yet 0 accountability on the women that lay with them. And, these women raise the next generation of boys and girls to act irresponsibly. That is how the cycle continues. Until women are held accountable, nothing will get done.
 
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volfanjustin said:
No. But if they focused on these few things which actually would improve the lives of blacks I could get on board:
Let children get out of failing schools
Work with dads on how to actually be dads and not get 10 different women pregnant
Work with parents to get married
Encourage parents to stop teaching their kids they are and will always be victims
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Women are given incentives to either have out of wedlock children or divorce and get a big lump sum redistribution of wealth. Remove those incentives.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
All the blame placed on the men, yet 0 accountability on the women that lay with them. And, these women raise the next generation of boys and girls to act irresponsibly. That is how the cycle continues. Until women are held accountable, nothing will get done.
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To some degree yes but at the same time a lot of the women are holding down multiple jobs to support her many kids
 
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IF....BLM helped struggling black neighborhoods, helped black businesses, helped pay for poor black college students, helped to promote the importance of education for black children, then I would support them. But...they have done none of these things. They are a purely political organization advancing Marxist ideology, giving money to a Democrats to increase their political power, and promoting racism against non-blacks.
 
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It's concerning to me how willing they are to justify violence and destruction in the name of "justice." The dude in Chicago (whose name escapes me) said that looting was a form of reparations. I was in Charleston a few months ago and a group of these people went marching down King street and setting off fireworks under peoples feet as they were trying to eat dinner.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
All the blame placed on the men, yet 0 accountability on the women that lay with them. And, these women raise the next generation of boys and girls to act irresponsibly. That is how the cycle continues. Until women are held accountable, nothing will get done.
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The ratchets still think getting pregnant will keep their man in their lives..its funny and sad at the same time.
 
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