Polling data shows America is crawfishing on Healthcare Law

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Rasputin_Vol said:
AP-GfK Poll: Opposition to health care law eases - Yahoo! News

Let's see if the GOP looks at these poll numbers and do the right thing in spite of the polling data. Knowing their history, I would probably say they back down like they usually do... snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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I don't like Obamacare, personally. It ignores the 800lbs gorilla in the data.

What this demonstrates is exactly the effect I described in the debate with volinbham. As soon as something takes the marketing off the airwaves, the 50/50 split seen recently will start to tick back up. Historically, as volinbham's data showed convincingly, a supermajority want government health care.
 
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To me I think the main problem is the typical Washington DC of knee jerk to just "get something done."

The bill as it stands is complete junk. And frankly I'd do single payer system over what the current system as passed is any day. The problem is anytime the high opposition to public heath care comes up, the ones on the far extreme go "See everyone is happy with their healthcare." But that is not the case. Healthcare has gotten beyond expensive, but the only options we have been presented are "Take it all over," or "Do nothing at all".
 
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Wonderful way to bring the country to its knees. If gas prices doesn't do it first.
 
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utgibbs said:
I don't like Obamacare, personally. It ignores the 800lbs gorilla in the data.

What this demonstrates is exactly the effect I described in the debate with volinbham. As soon as something takes the marketing off the airwaves, the 50/50 split seen recently will start to tick back up. Historically, as volinbham's data showed convincingly, a supermajority want government health care.
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No - it says a majority over time felt it was the governments role to ensure access to coverage. However, even that number only reached your magic "super majority" number a time or two over 10+ years.

As has been stated repeatedly (and you ignore it each time), the data says a larger majority favors private insurance and support for government run HC is a super minority.
 
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they are going to vote to repeal it, it should make many dem senators pretty nervous about this.
 
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joevol320 said:
they are going to vote to repeal it, it should make many dem senators pretty nervous about this.
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Why?
The polling shows just the opposite:

Taken from the AP article.

"As for repeal, only about one in four say they want to do away with the law completely. Among Republicans support for repeal has dropped sharply, from 61 percent after the elections to 49 percent now.

Also, 43 percent say they want the law changed so it does more to re-engineer the health care system"
 
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Its all part of the inexorable march towards a single payor system. There is no other option, eventually.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Its all part of the inexorable march towards a single payor system. There is no other option, eventually.
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yes, the other option is to get rid of the regulations that are killing the industry. allow for some competition. that's the best way.
 
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volinbham said:
Sure there is - look at the Swiss system.

Universal coverage is not the same as single payor.
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And how would you pay for universal coverage? I mean, in a sense we have that now. People in urgent need of life saving care are not turned away for it, and then they are covered by Medicare for most things.

As is, medical care for people in their 20's through their 50's is basically as inefficiently administered as can be. Its piecemeal, inconsistent, expensive, and broken.
 
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joevol320 said:
yes, the other option is to get rid of the regulations that are killing the industry. allow for some competition. that's the best way.
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"That will never work because everyone is stupid and free-enterprise is BS." -Gibbs
 
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lawgator1 said:
And how would you pay for universal coverage? I mean, in a sense we have that now. People in urgent need of life saving care are not turned away for it, and then they are covered by Medicare for most things.

As is, medical care for people in their 20's through their 50's is basically as inefficiently administered as can be. Its piecemeal, inconsistent, expensive, and broken.
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My understanding of the Swiss system is that it is mandated coverage and all insurance providers (private) must provide certain types of coverage.

Individuals pay premiums, deductibles, co-pays so they have direct skin in the game.

Taxes likely subsidize some of the coverage overall and there subsidies for those at the low end (IIRC).

The point is that is a highly competitive market based universal coverage system that uses both individual user and competing supplier incentives to ensure coverage and preserve choice.
 
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volinbham said:
Sure there is - look at the Swiss system.

Universal coverage is not the same as single payor.
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Yes, the second most expensive system - next to ours. But it does beat our metrics pretty hardcore.

I think LG is right. There is a supermajority who want it; run any poll and ask Americans if they would like universal Medicare it's a supermajority. And not without reason: Better care, less costs. Makes too much damn sense for some people though.

There are some Maoists who want ideology, damn the consequences. PRIVATE IS EFFICIENT -- except it's not; not even close. Ideology - the bane of rationality.
 
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volinbham said:
My understanding of the Swiss system is that it is mandated coverage and all insurance providers (private) must provide certain types of coverage.

Individuals pay premiums, deductibles, co-pays so they have direct skin in the game.

Taxes likely subsidize some of the coverage overall and there subsidies for those at the low end (IIRC).

The point is that is a highly competitive market based universal coverage system that uses both individual user and competing supplier incentives to ensure coverage and preserve choice.
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That is the second most expensive system in the world - next to ours.

Thankee :hi:

They do have robustly superior metrics to us, but they are by no means top of the table either.
 
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