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i read a thread on here last night talking about 2010 and i got to thinking, screw '10 what about '09. if tennessee doesnt meet expectations and eithers goes nit or just 1 or 2 rounds into the ncaa tourney then i think tyler stays. i know his numbers are better this year but by the end of the year i dont think they will, and i think any scout that has watched him realizes he doesnt have much of a nba game for his size. so think about if, we lose childress and gain kenny hall, and bring evryone back and possible daniel west. this team with another year under their belt plus a whole off season of playing and working together could be scary good. pearl could really focus on their quickness,shooting,and defense and really make them a much betterall around team. im not writing off thisyears team because i do think they will get it together but i was just imagining the possibilites.
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utbasketballloft said:
i read a thread on here last night talking about 2010 and i got to thinking, screw '10 what about '09. if tennessee doesnt meet expectations and eithers goes nit or just 1 or 2 rounds into the ncaa tourney then i think tyler stays. i know his numbers are better this year but by the end of the year i dont think they will, and i think any scout that has watched him realizes he doesnt have much of a nba game for his size. so think about if, we lose childress and gain kenny hall, and bring evryone back and possible daniel west. this team with another year under their belt plus a whole off season of playing and working together could be scary good. pearl could really focus on their quickness,shooting,and defense and really make them a much betterall around team. im not writing off thisyears team because i do think they will get it together but i was just imagining the possibilites.
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We're not going to be much better next year, sorry. Tyler is leaving no matter what any experts say about his game or how obvious it is to ALL of his another year could do him good. He's like 5 years removed from high school already - if he can't shoot from the permiter now - why would he get any better?

It's not a matter of what's best for him in the long run - it is the fact he has a good and its all about the $$$ now. You probably can also bet on Wayne Chism leaving considering he filled out the draft papers last year to test the waters (which you can only do once and still return to school) - so read between the lines - Chism wants to come out this year if he can - and he's been playing well.

2009 isn't looking any better.
 
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Smith MIGHT be a second round pick. He's tough, plays hard, fairly athletic--but he doesn't have the offensive skills (handle and shot) to be a 2 or a 3--and those are the only positions he could play at the next level. I hope he proves us wrong.
 
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i honestly think that if tyler continues to play this year like he is that he will stay his senior year. he will see he needs to drastically improve his offense,and stay another year and work on that.
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utbasketballloft said:
i honestly think that if tyler continues to play this year like he is that he will stay his senior year. he will see he needs to drastically improve his offense,and stay another year and work on that.
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He has a son. He will not be staying.
 
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utbasketballloft said:
i honestly think that if tyler continues to play this year like he is that he will stay his senior year. he will see he needs to drastically improve his offense,and stay another year and work on that.
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You're missing the point. We're all well aware he's not playing NBA-like this year. But there is a thing outside of basketball called life and he has to do what is best for him.
 
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i understand and get that yes he has a kid and family to supposrt but OBVIOUSLY rising his stock is more important to him or he would have gone last year. Instead of going last year (when he was projected as a mid-late 1st round pick) he chose to come bak to improve his stock. So why would he leave this year when his stock has decreased and he actually faces a legitimate risk of not being picked up by ay team. I know that seems funny, but if he continues to play like he did last night NOBODY will pick him up he will end up like jajuan. I believe he would probably choose t bust his butt andwork alot harder than he apparently did and realize next years team can be better than this years team and that would help imrove his stock because there would be other scorers besides him and wayne.
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utbasketballloft said:
i understand and get that yes he has a kid and family to supposrt but OBVIOUSLY rising his stock is more important to him or he would have gone last year. Instead of going last year (when he was projected as a mid-late 1st round pick) he chose to come bak to improve his stock. So why would he leave this year when his stock has decreased and he actually faces a legitimate risk of not being picked up by ay team. I know that seems funny, but if he continues to play like he did last night NOBODY will pick him up he will end up like jajuan. I believe he would probably choose t bust his butt andwork alot harder than he apparently did and realize next years team can be better than this years team and that would help imrove his stock because there would be other scorers besides him and wayne.
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His stock wasn't higher last year than it is now. Not sure where you're getting that. The draft was a lot deeper last year. He will get picked highest if he comes out this year rather than last year or next (assuming he doesn't completely transform his game and have some ridiculous year if he were to come back).

Just because he could afford (financially) to come back last year - what makes you think he can do the same this year?
 
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no your right there arent as many 1 and dones but theres fenitely 25 players that will be coming out that are better than tyler.
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Bassmanbruno said:
Name 'em. And make sure they fit the needs - although you can't really predict the draft order.
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1 Oklahoma Cty Blake Griffin 6-10 252 PF Oklahoma So.
2 Washington James Harden 6-5 220 SG Arizona St. So.
3 Sacramento Hasheem Thabeet 7-3 265 C UConn Jr.
4 LA Clippers Jordan Hill 6-10 235 PF Arizona Jr.
5 Memphis Brandon Jennings 6-1 170 PG USA Intl.
6 Golden St. Al-Farouq Aminu 6-9 215 SF Wake Forest Fr.
7 *Minnesota Earl Clark 6-9 230 SF Louisville Jr.
8 Indiana Chase Budinger 6-7 218 SG/SF Arizona Jr.
9 Toronto Gerald Henderson 6-4 210 SG Duke Jr.
10 Chicago Greg Monroe 6-10 234 PF Georgetown Fr.
11 Charlotte DaJuan Summers 6-8 225 SF Georgetown Jr.
12 *New York Damion James 6-7 227 SF Texas Jr.
13 New Jersey Jeff Teague 6-2 175 PG Wake Forest So.
14 *Utah Gani Lawal 6-9 233 PF Georgia Tech So.
15 Milwaukee Demar DeRozan 6-6 210 SG USC Fr.
16 Philadelphia Stephen Curry 6-1 180 PG/SG Davidson Jr.
17 *Minnesota Patrick Patterson 6-8 235 PF Kentucky So.
18 Detroit Eric Maynor 6-3 180 PG VCU Sr.
19 Dallas Omri Casspi 6-8 225 SF Israel Intl.
20 Phoenix Darren Collison 6-0 170 PG UCLA Sr.
21 Atlanta Patrick Mills 5-11 180 PG St. Mary's So.
22 Portland Ty Lawson 6-0 195 PG North Carolina Jr.
23 Sacramento Austin Daye 6-10 200 SF Gonzaga So.
24 New Orleans DeJuan Blair 6-6 287 PF Pittsburgh So.
25 *Oklahoma Cty Sam Young 6-6 220 SF Pittsburgh Sr.
26 *Oklahoma Cty Tyler Smith 6-7 220 SF Tennessee Jr.
27 Orlando Tyler Hansbrough 6-8 245 PF North Carolina Sr.
28 *Minnesota Terrence Williams 6-6 220 SG/SF Louisville Sr.
29 Cleveland Jerome Jordan 7-0 235 C Tulsa Jr.
30 LA Lakers AJ Price 6-2 190 PG UConn Sr.
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*and in my opinopn everyone of those guys behind him will move ahead of him if tyler keeps playing the way that he has and they play like they have. but even if not as i stated his stock has dropped since last year, and as you said THIS YEARS DRAFT IS WORSE, therefore his stock has really dropped*
 
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utbasketballloft said:
1 Oklahoma Cty Blake Griffin 6-10 252 PF Oklahoma So.
2 Washington James Harden 6-5 220 SG Arizona St. So.
3 Sacramento Hasheem Thabeet 7-3 265 C UConn Jr.
4 LA Clippers Jordan Hill 6-10 235 PF Arizona Jr.
5 Memphis Brandon Jennings 6-1 170 PG USA Intl.
6 Golden St. Al-Farouq Aminu 6-9 215 SF Wake Forest Fr.
7 *Minnesota Earl Clark 6-9 230 SF Louisville Jr.
8 Indiana Chase Budinger 6-7 218 SG/SF Arizona Jr.
9 Toronto Gerald Henderson 6-4 210 SG Duke Jr.
10 Chicago Greg Monroe 6-10 234 PF Georgetown Fr.
11 Charlotte DaJuan Summers 6-8 225 SF Georgetown Jr.
12 *New York Damion James 6-7 227 SF Texas Jr.
13 New Jersey Jeff Teague 6-2 175 PG Wake Forest So.
14 *Utah Gani Lawal 6-9 233 PF Georgia Tech So.
15 Milwaukee Demar DeRozan 6-6 210 SG USC Fr.
16 Philadelphia Stephen Curry 6-1 180 PG/SG Davidson Jr.
17 *Minnesota Patrick Patterson 6-8 235 PF Kentucky So.
18 Detroit Eric Maynor 6-3 180 PG VCU Sr.
19 Dallas Omri Casspi 6-8 225 SF Israel Intl.
20 Phoenix Darren Collison 6-0 170 PG UCLA Sr.
21 Atlanta Patrick Mills 5-11 180 PG St. Mary's So.
22 Portland Ty Lawson 6-0 195 PG North Carolina Jr.
23 Sacramento Austin Daye 6-10 200 SF Gonzaga So.
24 New Orleans DeJuan Blair 6-6 287 PF Pittsburgh So.
25 *Oklahoma Cty Sam Young 6-6 220 SF Pittsburgh Sr.
26 *Oklahoma Cty Tyler Smith 6-7 220 SF Tennessee Jr.
27 Orlando Tyler Hansbrough 6-8 245 PF North Carolina Sr.
28 *Minnesota Terrence Williams 6-6 220 SG/SF Louisville Sr.
29 Cleveland Jerome Jordan 7-0 235 C Tulsa Jr.
30 LA Lakers AJ Price 6-2 190 PG UConn Sr.
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*and in my opinopn everyone of those guys behind him will move ahead of him if tyler keeps playing the way that he has and they play like they have. but even if not as i stated his stock has dropped since last year, and as you said THIS YEARS DRAFT IS WORSE, therefore his stock has really dropped*
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Lol - Austin Daye. 1st of all - a good portion of the guys you have listed that aren't underclassmen probably won't even come out. And I'm fairly sure you copy and pasted some from some cheap draft site that actually had him outside the top 25 - when a majority of the others don't. Most I've seen have him 19-27... but they also have some retarded ones ahead of him in each of them like AJ Ogilvy and others I don't remember off the top of my head.
 
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Ok so here is a few more for you then, and yes they are copy and pasted, from sites like espn, si, nba and legit sites that have experts that did this. That way you cant critique my opinion and say im dumb. Look at the average of tyler smith, OH MY GOD ITS NOT IN THE TOP 25!!!


1 Thunder Blake Griffin PF/C
19 years old; 6'10"; 239 lbs.
Oklahoma, Sophomore
2 Wizards James Harden SG
19 years old; 6'5"; 218 lbs.
Arizona State, Sophomore
3 Clippers Greg Monroe PF/C
18 years old; 6'10"; 226 lbs.
Georgetown, Freshman
4 Kings Jrue Holiday PG/SG
18 years old; 6'4"; 200 lbs.
UCLA, Freshman
5 Warriors Jordan Hill PF
21 years old; 6'10"; 235 lbs.
Arizona, Junior
6 Grizzlies Jeff Teague PG/SG
20 years old; 6'2"; 180 lbs.
Wake Forest, Sophomore
7 Timberwolves Hasheem Thabeet C
21 years old; 7'3"; 260 lbs.
Connecticut, Junior
8 Pacers Earl Clark SF/PF
21 years old; 6'9"; 200 lbs.
Louisville, Junior
9 Bobcats Brandon Jennings PG
19 years old; 6'1"; 170 lbs.
Lottomatica Roma, International
10 Raptors Stephen Curry PG/SG
20 years old; 6'3"; 185 lbs.
Davidson, Junior
11 Knicks Ty Lawson PG
21 years old; 6'0"; 195 lbs.
North Carolina, Junior
12 Bulls B.J. Mullens C
years old; 7'0"; 260 lbs.
Ohio State, Freshman
13 Bucks Kyle Singler SF/PF
20 years old; 6'9"; 210 lbs.
Duke, Sophomore
14 Mavericks Patrick Patterson PF
19 years old; 6'8"; 223 lbs.
Kentucky, Sophomore
15 76ers Willie Warren SG
19 years old; 6'4"; 200 lbs.
Oklahoma, Freshman
16 Nets Gerald Henderson SG
21 years old; 6'5"; 215 lbs.
Duke, Junior
17 Timberwolves
From
Heat Tyreke Evans PG/SG
19 years old; 6'5"; 195 lbs.
Memphis, Freshman
18 Jazz Darren Collison PG
21 years old; 6'1"; 165 lbs.
UCLA, Senior
19 Pistons Chase Budinger SG/SF
21 years old; 6'7"; 190 lbs.
Arizona, Junior
20 Kings
From
Rockets DeJuan Blair PF/C
19 years old; 6'7"; 265 lbs.
Pittsburgh, Sophomore
21 Hawks DaJuan Summers SF/PF
21 years old; 6'8"; 241 lbs.
Georgetown, Junior
22 Trailblazers Damion James PF
21 years old; 6'7"; 225 lbs.
Texas, Junior
23 Suns Michael Washington PF
22 years old; 6'10"; 224 lbs.
Arkansas, Junior
24 Hornets Eric Maynor PG
21 years old; 6'2"; 165 lbs.
VCU, Senior
25 Thunder
From
Nuggets Jonny Flynn PG
19 years old; 6'0"; 172 lbs.
Syracuse, Sophomore
26 Thunder
From
Spurs Tyler Hansbrough PF
23 years old; 6'9"; 230 lbs.
North Carolina, Senior
27 Timberwolves
From
Celtics Jerome Jordan C
22 years old; 7'0"; 235 lbs.
Tulsa, Junior
28 Magic Tyler Smith SF/PF
22 years old; 6'7"; 210 lbs.
Tennessee, Junior
29 Lakers Sam Young SF/PF
23 years old; 6'6"; 210 lbs.
Pittsburgh, Senior
30 Cavaliers Terrence Williams SG/SF
21 years old; 6'5"; 207 lbs.
Louisville, Senior




TYLER ISNT EVEN TOP 30

1
Blake Griffin
Ht/Wt: 6-10 / 240 lbs
Position: PF/C
Team: Oklahoma
Class: Sophomore

2
James Harden
Ht/Wt: 6-4 / 218 lbs
Position: SG
Team: Arizona State
Class: Sophomore

3
Ricky Rubio
Ht/Wt: 6-3 / 180 lbs
Position: PG
Team: DKV Joventut
Class: International

4
Greg Monroe
Ht/Wt: 6-11 / 250 lbs
Position: PF/C
Team: Georgetown
Class: Freshman

5
Jordan Hill
Ht/Wt: 6-9 / 210 lbs
Position: PF
Team: Arizona
Class: Junior

6
Jeff Teague
Ht/Wt: 6-2 / 180 lbs
Position: PG
Team: Wake Forest
Class: Sophomore

7
Jrue Holiday
Ht/Wt: 6-4 / 200 lbs
Position: SG
Team: UCLA
Class: Freshman

8
Hasheem Thabeet
Ht/Wt: 7-2 / 260 lbs
Position: C
Team: Connecticut
Class: Junior

9
Demar DeRozan
Ht/Wt: 6-6 / 210 lbs
Position: SG
Team: USC
Class: Freshman

10
Stephen Curry
Ht/Wt: 6-3 / 185 lbs
Position: SG
Team: Davidson
Class: Junior

11
AlFarouq Aminu
Ht/Wt: 6-8 / 210 lbs
Position: SF
Team: Wake Forest
Class: Freshman

12
Brandon Jennings
Ht/Wt: 6-1 / 170 lbs
Position: PG
Team: Arizona
Class: Freshman

13
Earl Clark
Ht/Wt: 6-9 / 200 lbs
Position: SF/PF
Team: Louisville
Class: Junior

14
BJ Mullens
Ht/Wt: 7-0 / 260 lbs
Position: C
Team: Ohio State
Class: Freshman

15
Cole Aldrich
Ht/Wt: 6-11 / 245 lbs
Position: C
Team: Kansas
Class: Sophomore

16*
Gani Lawal
Ht/Wt: 6-8 / 215 lbs
Position: PF
Team: Georgia Tech
Class: Sophomore

17
Kyle Singler
Ht/Wt: 6-9 / 210 lbs
Position: SF
Team: Duke
Class: Sophomore

18
Willie Warren
Ht/Wt: 6-4 / 210 lbs
Position: PG/SG
Team: Oklahoma
Class: Freshman

19
Austin Daye
Ht/Wt: 6-10 / 190 lbs
Position: SF/PF
Team: Gonzaga
Class: Sophomore

20
Jonny Flynn
Ht/Wt: 6-0 / 175 lbs
Position: PG
Team: Syracuse
Class: Sophomore

21
Tywon Lawson
Ht/Wt: 6-0 / 175 lbs
Position: PG
Team: North Carolina
Class: Junior

22
Patrick Patterson
Ht/Wt: 6-8 / 232 lbs
Position: PF
Team: Kentucky
Class: Sophomore

23*
Andrew Ogilvy
Ht/Wt: 7-0 / 240 lbs
Position: C
Team: Vanderbilt
Class: Sophomore

24
Patrick Mills
Ht/Wt: 6-0 / 175 lbs
Position: PG
Team: Saint Mary's
Class: Sophomore

25*
Chase Budinger
Ht/Wt: 6-7 / 190 lbs
Position: SG/SF
Team: Arizona
Class: Junior

26*
Jerome Jordan
Ht/Wt: 7-0 / 235 lbs
Position: C
Team: Tulsa
Class: Sophomore

27
DaJuan Summers
Ht/Wt: 6-8 / 225 lbs
Position: SF
Team: Georgetown
Class: Junior

28*
Darren Collison
Ht/Wt: 6-1 / 165 lbs
Position: PG
Team: UCLA
Class: Junior

29
Tyler Hansbrough
Ht/Wt: 6-9 / 225 lbs
Position: PF
Team: North Carolina
Class: Senior

30
DeJuan Blair
Ht/Wt: 6-7 / 250 lbs
Position: PF
Team: Pittsburgh
Class: Sophomore




# NBA Team ( ) = from Player Name - Ht/Wt - Pos - College/Intl Team
1. Miami BJ Mullens 7'0 260lbs C Ohio St. Fr.
2. Seattle Ricky Rubio 6'4 180lbs PG Spain
3. Minnesota Demar DeRozan 6'6 195lbs SG USC Fr.
4. Memphis Jrue Holiday 6'3 200lbs PG UCLA Fr.
5. New York Blake Griffin 6'9 245lbs PF Oklahoma So.
6. LA Clippers Tyreke Evans 6'5 205lbs PG/G Memphis Fr.
7. Milwaukee Brandon Jennings 6'1 170lbs PG International
8. Charlotte Hasheem Thabeet 7'3 260lbs C Connecticut Jr.
9. Chicago Scotty Hopson 6'5 185lbs SG Tennessee Fr.
10. New Jersey Stephen Curry 6'1 180lbs G/PG Davidson Jr.
11. Indiana James Harden 6'4 215lbs SG Arizona State So.
12. Sacramento Ater Majok 6'10 220lbs PF Connecticut Fr.
13. Portland Tyler Hansbrough 6'9 250lbs PF North Carolina Sr.
14. Golden State Al-Farouq Aminu 6'8 210lbs SF Wake Forest Fr.
15. Atlanta Willie Warren 6'3 195lbs PG Oklahoma Fr.
16. Philadelphia Patrick Patterson 6'8 230lbs PF Kentucky So.
17. Toronto Earl Clark 6'8 225lbs SF Louisville Jr.
18. Washington Samardo Samuels 6'9 230lbs PF Louisville Fr.
19. Cleveland Greg Monroe 6'10 225lbs PF Georgetown Fr.
20. Denver Jerel McNeal 6'3 205 G/SG Marquette Sr.
21. Dallas Jeremy Pargo 6'2 215lbs G/PG Gonzaga Sr.
22. Orlando Tyler Smith 6'7 210lbs SF Tennessee Jr.
23. Philadelphia (UTA) Damion James 6'8 225lbs SF Texas Jr.
24. Phoenix Jordan Hill 6'10 230lbs PF Arizona Jr.
25. Houston Ty Walker 6'11 215lbs PF Wake Forest Fr.
26. Seattle (SAS) Chris Singleton 6'8 210lbs SF Florida State Fr.
27. New Orleans Kemba Walker 6'2 175lbs PG Connecticut Fr.
28. LA Lakers Micah Downs 6'7 205 SF Gonzaga Sr.
29. Detroit Antonio Anderson 6'6 200lbs G Memphis Sr.
30. Minnesota (BOS) Rodrigue Beaubois 6'3 180lbs PG France
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Lol - Austin Daye. 1st of all - a good portion of the guys you have listed that aren't underclassmen probably won't even come out. And I'm fairly sure you copy and pasted some from some cheap draft site that actually had him outside the top 25 - when a majority of the others don't. Most I've seen have him 19-27... but they also have some retarded ones ahead of him in each of them like AJ Ogilvy and others I don't remember off the top of my head.
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1 Oklahoma City Blake Griffin 6-9 243 PF So. Oklahoma 3-16-1989 31 Oklahoma City Tyler Hansbrough 6-8 245 PF Sr. North Carolina 11-3-1985
2 Minnesota Brandon Jennings 6-2 170 PG Lottomatica Roma, Italy 9-23-1989 32 Minnesota Nick Calathes 6-5 192 SG So. Florida 2-7-1989
3 Washington James Harden 6-4 220 SG So. Arizona State 8-26-1989 33 Washington Connor Atchley 6-10 230 C Sr. Texas 5-31-1985
4 Sacramento Hasheem Thabeet 7-3 265 C Jr. UConn 2-17-1987 34 Sacramento James Johnson 6-8 230 PF So. Wake Forest 2-20-7987
5 LA Clippers Ricky Rubio 6-3 180 PG Spain 10-21-1990 35 LA Clippers Greivis Vasquez 6-6 195 PG Jr. Maryland 1-16-1987
6 Golden State Al-Farouq Aminu 6-8 210 SF Fr. Wake Forest 9-29-1990 36 Golden State AJ Ogilvy 7-0 240 C So. Vanderbilt 6-17-1988
7 Charlotte Austin Daye 6-10 190 SF So. Gonzaga 6-5-1988 37 Charlotte Donatas Motiejunas 7-0 215 PF/C Kaunas, Lithuania 9-20-1990
8 Indiana Damion James 6-7 225 PF Jr. Texas 10-7-1987 38 Indiana Leo Lyons 6-9 230 PF Sr. Missouri 5-25-1987
9 Memphis Earl Clark 6-8 220 SF Jr. Louisville 1-17-1988 39 Memphis Robbie Hummel 6-8 208 SF So. Purdue 3-8-1989
10 Milwaukee Stephen Curry 6-3 182 PG/SG Jr. Davidson 3-14-1988 40 Milwaukee Omri Casspi 6-8 220 SF Rehovot, Israel 6-22-1988
11 Philadelphia Patrick Mills 6-0 170 PG So. St. MaryÂ’s 8-11-1988 41 Philadelphia Eric Maynor 6-2 165 PG Sr. VCU 6-11-1987
12 Toronto Darren Collison 6-0 165 PG Sr. UCLA 8-23-1987 42 Toronto Jerel McNeal 6-2 190 SG Sr. Marquette 7-1-1987
13 New York Chase Budinger 6-7 195 SG/SF Jr. Arizona 12-31-1987 43 New York Luke Harangody 6-8 251 PF Jr. Notre Dame 1-2-1988
14 Phoenix Sam Young 6-6 215 SF Sr. Pittsburgh 6-1-1985 44 Phoenix Dionte Christmas 6-5 190 SG Sr. Temple 9-15-1986
15 Chicago Jordan Hill 6-9 210 PF Jr. Arizona 7-27-1987 45 Chicago Josh Heytvelt 6-11 210 PF Sr. Gonzaga 6-2-1986
16 New Jersey BJ Mullens 7-0 260 C Fr. Ohio State 46 New Jersey Taj Gibson 6-9 215 PF Jr. USC 6-24-1985
17 Minnesota Demar DeRozan 6-6 207 SG Fr. USC 8-7-1989 47 Miami Curtis Jerrells 6-1 190 PG Sr. Baylor 2-5-1987
18 Dallas Gani Lawal 6-8 216 PF So. Georgia Tech 11-7-1988 48 Dallas Jeremy Pargo 6-2 220 PG Sr. Gonzaga 3-7-1986
19 Detroit Cole Aldrich 6-11 245 C So. Kansas 10-31-1988 49 Detroit Ahmad Nivins 6-9 242 PF Sr. Saint Joseph's 2-10-1987
20 Minnesota DaJuan Summers 6-8 245 SF/PF Jr. Georgetown 1-24-1988 50 Utah Jon Brockman 6-6 250 PF Sr. Washington 3-20-1987
21 Portland Jerome Jordan 7-0 235 C Jr. Tulsa 9-29-1986 51 Portland Robert Vaden 6-5 200 SG Sr. UAB 3-3-1985
22 Atlanta Jrue Holiday 6-3 200 PG/SG Fr. UCLA 6-12-1990 52 Atlanta Victor Claver 6-10 215 SF/PF Valencia, Spain 9-1-1988
23 Sacramento Patrick Patterson 6-8 230 PF So. Kentucky 3-14-1989 53 Houston Jarvis Varnado 6-9 205 PF Jr. Mississippi St. 3-1-1988
24 New Orleans Manny Harris 6-5 175 SG So. Michigan 9-21-1989 54 New Orleans Josh Shipp 6-4 200 SG Sr. UCLA 2-16-1985
25 Oklahoma City Ty Lawson 5-11 195 PG Jr. North Carolina 11-3-1987 55 San Antonio Jack McClinton 6-1 185 PG Sr. Miami (FL) 1-19-1985
26 Denver Gerald Henderson 6-5 215 SG Jr. Duke 12-9-1987 56 Denver Terrence Williams 6-6 210 SF Sr. Louisville 6-28-1987
27 Orlando Tyler Smith 6-7 220 SF Jr. Tennessee 9-4-1986 57 Orlando Nando De Colo 6-5 185 PG Sainte Catherine, France 6-23-1987
28 Cleveland Kyle Singler 6-9 210 SF So. Duke 5-4-1988 58 Cleveland Raymar Morgan 6-7 215 SF Jr. Michigan State 8-8-1988
29 LA Lakers Wayne Ellington 6-4 200 SG Jr. North Carolina 10-29-1987 59 LA Lakers Josh Carter 6-7 195 SG Sr. Texas A&M 11-20-1986
30 Minnesota Derrick Brown 6-7 210 SF Jr. Xavier 9-8-1987 60 Boston Chris Lowe 6-0 160 PG Sr. UMass 7-17-1987
 
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Congrats. I googled them too before I posted. Over half had him inside the top 25... and the other half had him 26... 27 minimum and they had a lot of reaches in there. Ex. Austin Daye and Patrick Patterson - I don't think PP comes out this year. And Cole Aldrich? Doubt he leaves either.

These are PROJECTIONS. If you can honestly say he won't be drafted in the top 25 then you're just reaching and have a personal agenda.
 
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i located 1 that had him top 25 and it was at 22. And IT WAS A PRESEASON FROM THIS YEAR therefore not taking into consideration the down year that he is having. Also, as you said this draft is worse than last years so by you theory him being drafted 22,23,24,25,26,27,28 or right in there is A DOWN GRADE OF TOP 20 that he received last year. So with a worse draft this year than last and a lower ranking then he received last year then HIS STOCK HAS GONE DOWN. Which was what this whole arguement was, you said his stock has rose as ive said it has declined and i have clearly shown you it has indeed DECLINED.
 
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utbasketballloft said:
i located 1 that had him top 25 and it was at 22. And IT WAS A PRESEASON FROM THIS YEAR therefore not taking into consideration the down year that he is having. Also, as you said this draft is worse than last years so by you theory him being drafted 22,23,24,25,26,27,28 or right in there is A DOWN GRADE OF TOP 20 that he received last year. So with a worse draft this year than last and a lower ranking then he received last year then HIS STOCK HAS GONE DOWN. Which was what this whole arguement was, you said his stock has rose as ive said it has declined and i have clearly shown you it has indeed DECLINED.
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You know very well what I meant. Stock isn't purely based on his level of play. Stock has many variables - and that's why I brought up the weaker draft. And I NEVER said his stock rose. I said it isn't any worse than last year. People are taking into consideration he's getting no help compared to what he had last year in Jajuan and Lofton and is still managing to put up pretty good numbers with horrid guard play - not to mention the 3-point line being moved back.
 
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2009 Mock Draft
Updated: 1/26/09 6:27 am

# Team Player H W P School C

# Team Player H W P School C
1 Oklahoma Cty Blake Griffin 6-10 252 PF Oklahoma So.
2 Washington James Harden 6-5 220 SG Arizona St. So.
3 Sacramento Hasheem Thabeet 7-3 265 C UConn Jr.
4 LA Clippers Jordan Hill 6-10 235 PF Arizona Jr.
5 Memphis Brandon Jennings 6-1 170 PG USA Intl.
6 Golden St. Al-Farouq Aminu 6-9 215 SF Wake Forest Fr.
7 *Minnesota Earl Clark 6-9 230 SF Louisville Jr.
8 Indiana Chase Budinger 6-7 218 SG/SF Arizona Jr.
9 Toronto Gerald Henderson 6-4 210 SG Duke Jr.
10 Chicago Greg Monroe 6-10 234 PF Georgetown Fr.
11 Charlotte DaJuan Summers 6-8 225 SF Georgetown Jr.
12 *New York Damion James 6-7 227 SF Texas Jr.
13 New Jersey Jeff Teague 6-2 175 PG Wake Forest So.
14 *Utah Gani Lawal 6-9 233 PF Georgia Tech So.
15 Milwaukee Demar DeRozan 6-6 210 SG USC Fr.
16 Philadelphia Stephen Curry 6-1 180 PG/SG Davidson Jr.
17 *Minnesota Patrick Patterson 6-8 235 PF Kentucky So.
18 Detroit Eric Maynor 6-3 180 PG VCU Sr.
19 Dallas Omri Casspi 6-8 225 SF Israel Intl.
20 Phoenix Darren Collison 6-0 170 PG UCLA Sr.
21 Atlanta Patrick Mills 5-11 180 PG St. Mary's So.
22 Portland Ty Lawson 6-0 195 PG North Carolina Jr.
23 Sacramento Austin Daye 6-10 200 SF Gonzaga So.
24 New Orleans DeJuan Blair 6-6 287 PF Pittsburgh So.
25 *Oklahoma Cty Sam Young 6-6 220 SF Pittsburgh Sr.
26 *Oklahoma Cty Tyler Smith 6-7 220 SF Tennessee Jr. 27 Orlando Tyler Hansbrough 6-8 245 PF North Carolina Sr.
28 *Minnesota Terrence Williams 6-6 220 SG/SF Louisville Sr.
29 Cleveland Jerome Jordan 7-0 235 C Tulsa Jr.
30 LA Lakers AJ Price 6-2 190 PG UConn Sr.
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# Team Player H W P School C

# Team Player H W P School C
31 Oklahoma Cty Josh Heytvelt 6-11 238 PF Gonzaga Sr.
32 Washington Curtis Jerrells 6-1 195 PG Baylor Sr.
33 Sacramento Dionte Christmas 6-5 190 SG Temple Sr.
34 LA Clippers Jeff Pendergraph 6-9 230 PF Arizona St. Sr.
35 Memphis Brandon Costner 6-8 230 SF NC State Jr.
36 Golden St. Taj Gibson 6-9 225 PF USC Jr.
37 Minnesota Tyrese Rice 6-0 190 PG Boston College Sr.
38 Indiana Robert Vaden 6-5 205 SG UAB Sr.
39 Toronto Marcus Thornton 6-4 210 SG LSU Sr.
40 Chicago


This is probably the most legit draft seeing as how it is through NBA.com and it was updated just 3 days ago (im sure tyler's stock dropped and marcus thornton and chris johnsons stock both rose)
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
You know very well what I meant. Stock isn't purely based on his level of play. Stock has many variables - and that's why I brought up the weaker draft.
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I took into consideration the class of the draft so like i said...If he went last year he would be between 12-20 they said but regardless top 20. This year would be AROUND 25 maybe one or two higher or lower. If he played this year as he did last year then by your theory with the weaker draft class he would be probably a top 10 pick but atleast a top 15. We all know he is not anywhere close to that, so therefore his stock has declined and he would have benefited more from coming out last year, and will benefit more from staying another year(unless he starts playing incredbile) and trying to improve his game and raise his stock in next years draft.
 
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#22
utbasketballloft said:
2009 Mock Draft
Updated: 1/26/09 6:27 am

# Team Player H W P School C

# Team Player H W P School C
1 Oklahoma Cty Blake Griffin 6-10 252 PF Oklahoma So.
2 Washington James Harden 6-5 220 SG Arizona St. So.
3 Sacramento Hasheem Thabeet 7-3 265 C UConn Jr.
4 LA Clippers Jordan Hill 6-10 235 PF Arizona Jr.
5 Memphis Brandon Jennings 6-1 170 PG USA Intl.
6 Golden St. Al-Farouq Aminu 6-9 215 SF Wake Forest Fr.
7 *Minnesota Earl Clark 6-9 230 SF Louisville Jr.
8 Indiana Chase Budinger 6-7 218 SG/SF Arizona Jr.
9 Toronto Gerald Henderson 6-4 210 SG Duke Jr.
10 Chicago Greg Monroe 6-10 234 PF Georgetown Fr.
11 Charlotte DaJuan Summers 6-8 225 SF Georgetown Jr.
12 *New York Damion James 6-7 227 SF Texas Jr.
13 New Jersey Jeff Teague 6-2 175 PG Wake Forest So.
14 *Utah Gani Lawal 6-9 233 PF Georgia Tech So.
15 Milwaukee Demar DeRozan 6-6 210 SG USC Fr.
16 Philadelphia Stephen Curry 6-1 180 PG/SG Davidson Jr.
17 *Minnesota Patrick Patterson 6-8 235 PF Kentucky So.
18 Detroit Eric Maynor 6-3 180 PG VCU Sr.
19 Dallas Omri Casspi 6-8 225 SF Israel Intl.
20 Phoenix Darren Collison 6-0 170 PG UCLA Sr.
21 Atlanta Patrick Mills 5-11 180 PG St. Mary's So.
22 Portland Ty Lawson 6-0 195 PG North Carolina Jr.
23 Sacramento Austin Daye 6-10 200 SF Gonzaga So.
24 New Orleans DeJuan Blair 6-6 287 PF Pittsburgh So.
25 *Oklahoma Cty Sam Young 6-6 220 SF Pittsburgh Sr.
26 *Oklahoma Cty Tyler Smith 6-7 220 SF Tennessee Jr. 27 Orlando Tyler Hansbrough 6-8 245 PF North Carolina Sr.
28 *Minnesota Terrence Williams 6-6 220 SG/SF Louisville Sr.
29 Cleveland Jerome Jordan 7-0 235 C Tulsa Jr.
30 LA Lakers AJ Price 6-2 190 PG UConn Sr.
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# Team Player H W P School C

# Team Player H W P School C
31 Oklahoma Cty Josh Heytvelt 6-11 238 PF Gonzaga Sr.
32 Washington Curtis Jerrells 6-1 195 PG Baylor Sr.
33 Sacramento Dionte Christmas 6-5 190 SG Temple Sr.
34 LA Clippers Jeff Pendergraph 6-9 230 PF Arizona St. Sr.
35 Memphis Brandon Costner 6-8 230 SF NC State Jr.
36 Golden St. Taj Gibson 6-9 225 PF USC Jr.
37 Minnesota Tyrese Rice 6-0 190 PG Boston College Sr.
38 Indiana Robert Vaden 6-5 205 SG UAB Sr.
39 Toronto Marcus Thornton 6-4 210 SG LSU Sr.
40 Chicago


This is probably the most legit draft seeing as how it is through NBA.com and it was updated just 3 days ago (im sure tyler's stock dropped and marcus thornton and chris johnsons stock both rose)
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Once again Austin Daye, Dejuan Bliar, and PP... 3 huge questions marks at this point. No way Daye leaves unless he's an idiot. PP being the most likely.

And lol at the notion that one game against a bad defense raises Marcus Thornton's and Chris Johnson's stock - if you believe that then you have no business trying to argue any of this.

MOCK drafts, man. I'll say it again - you can't honestly say at this point you know for a fact he won't get drafted in the top 25 unless you have a personal agenda here.
 
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utbasketballloft said:
I took into consideration the class of the draft so like i said...If he went last year he would be between 12-20 they said but regardless top 20. This year would be AROUND 25 maybe one or two higher or lower. If he played this year as he did last year then by your theory with the weaker draft class he would be probably a top 10 pick but atleast a top 15. We all know he is not anywhere close to that, so therefore his stock has declined and he would have benefited more from coming out last year, and will benefit more from staying another year(unless he starts playing incredbile) and trying to improve his game and raise his stock in next years draft.
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Wtf - he would not have been a lottery pick last year. Where the heck did you pull that crap from? That must be why you're confused here.

The reason he didn't go was because of the fact his stock wasn't high enough. If he were projected 12-15 he would have been gone - no question about it.
 
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No but im looking at chris johnson being one of the better big men in the sec now, and thornton as having a legit shot at sec p.o.y between him and meeks probably. I was just saying that after seeing them i didnt mean simply one game would change the stock. And same to you though, you cant honestly say that you know that tyler would be taking top 25. im going by what i saw and the majority said out of the top 25, and the point being that that is lower then last years projection. THEREFORE HIS STOCK HAS DECLINED!
 
#25
#25
utbasketballloft said:
No but im looking at chris johnson being one of the better big men in the sec now, and thornton as having a legit shot at sec p.o.y between him and meeks probably. I was just saying that after seeing them i didnt mean simply one game would change the stock. And same to you though, you cant honestly say that you know that tyler would be taking top 25. im going by what i saw and the majority said out of the top 25, and the point being that that is lower then last years projection. THEREFORE HIS STOCK HAS DECLINED!
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No it isn't man. Sorry. He was not projected that highly last year. Early in the year there was talks of him being a borderline lottery pick but that was mainly just local media hype.

And when I googled it I looked at 5 sites. 2 had him in the top 25 and 3 had him #26 and #27. And they all (including the ones with him in the top 25) had a bunch of questionable picks in there.
 
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