Property Rights

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rjd970

rjd970

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Property rights in this country is a joke. I pay a tax and insurance on my house and car every year, even though I own my car outright and will still pay taxes after the house is paid. Let's call this what it really is, RENT. Do we ever really own something the government can take from us at anytime if we don't pay them?
 
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From what I understand those property taxes are supposed to go toward maintaining the road you live on, paying for fire and police protection and numerous other things we generally take for granted.
 
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rjd970 said:
Property rights in this country is a joke. I pay a tax and insurance on my house and car every year, even though I own my car outright and will still pay taxes after the house is paid. Let's call this what it really is, RENT. Do we ever really own something the government can take from us at anytime if we don't pay them?
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I can see the justification for the tax on the vehicle with maybe paying for the roads and things like that. However, I am completely with you with the housing tax, I really dont think you should have to pay anything on a house tax wise unless you sell.
 
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I hear what you are saying about roads and what not, but the fact remains that you never truly "own" your property.
 
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rjd970 said:
I hear what you are saying about roads and what not, but the fact remains that you never truly "own" your property.
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I guess you own the asset but pay "rent" to the community for the right to use that asset in the community.
 
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just ask the farmers in California's Central Valley what their property taxes have gotten them
 
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well if you live in madison county, alabama you also get taxed for having pets. this is the most ridiculous thing i've ever been taxed on
 
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The vehicle thing makes sense to a point. I think taxes on gasoline, oil, tires, and other consumables, etc....on the car would make more sense than taxing the actual property, but it all comes from somewhere I guess.

I still don't buy the house tax though. If it is mine, it should really be mine and the government shouldn't be able to touch it outside of emminent domain.
 
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rjd970 said:
Property rights in this country is a joke. I pay a tax and insurance on my house and car every year, even though I own my car outright and will still pay taxes after the house is paid. Let's call this what it really is, RENT. Do we ever really own something the government can take from us at anytime if we don't pay them?
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A government that can give you anything you want can take anything you got.


Obamacare in England.

'Nurses should not be forced into treating people in a cupboard or a kitchen just to meet Labour's bureaucratic targets.'
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Vol Mania 21 said:
well if you live in madison county, alabama you also get taxed for having pets. this is the most ridiculous thing i've ever been taxed on
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we have the same but they call it a pet licensing fee. I really don't mind since it will get my dog back a whole lot faster. The kennels in my town are about 90% Pit bulls and he wouldn't last a night (thanks Vick)
 
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In Mo. you pay personal property tax on your house, car, jet ski, cattle, if they could calculate your air consumption per year, they would tax that too. In Ks. you pay a higher tax if your barn has a closing door. Ridiculous.
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I definitely agree that taxing has gone crazy, and the spending has gone even worse.... but property taxes (if kept simple and flat) I've never had a problem with on principle. I am all for limited taxation and spending but at some point our municipalities have to generate SOME revenue to pay for the protection (fire and police), education (although they do need to put an effort towards making it a service worth half a crap), and other local things. How else would they do that?
 
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droski said:
millions of gallons of free water and farm subsidies?
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Huh???? That's pretty ignorant, even for a pencil pusher.

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You are forgetting three things, obozo, the endangered species act and the delta smelt.

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rjd970 said:
The vehicle thing makes sense to a point. I think taxes on gasoline, oil, tires, and other consumables, etc....on the car would make more sense than taxing the actual property, but it all comes from somewhere I guess.

I still don't buy the house tax though. If it is mine, it should really be mine and the government shouldn't be able to touch it outside of emminent domain.
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I don't think one should have to pay sales tax on used cars, the sales tax was paid when the car was first bought new, end of story!

You think that's bad, you should have to try to pay the property taxes on a small family farm, that's just one reason america is losing the backbone of it's food production at an alarming rate.

BTW, the government should never have 'emminent domain', that's unconstitutional.

MWR said:
And make you like it.
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Bite me!! :p

volger said:
In Mo. you pay personal property tax on your house, car, jet ski, cattle, if they could calculate your air consumption per year, they would tax that too. In Ks. you pay a higher tax if your barn has a closing door. Ridiculous.
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Tennessee has never had a personal property tax but around twenty five years ago the state sent letters to lot's of people, (I think they targeted people over sixty five).

The letter was accompanied by a form to fill out detailing all personal property and asking for the approximate value so that the state could make a tax accessment.

One of my grandmothers got one. She wadded it up and threw it in the trash and wrote a letter back to the state saying; "before I'll pay one cent of tax on the things I've worked and saved for all my life, I'll take it out in the front yard, chop it up with and axe, pour kerosene on it and burn it up. She never heard back from the state.

I asked a few of my friends about it and two said their granddads had complied and one paid $400 and the other $600 annually in a personal property tax that didn't even exist.
 
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OrangeYankee said:
I definitely agree that taxing has gone crazy, and the spending has gone even worse.... but property taxes (if kept simple and flat) I've never had a problem with on principle. I am all for limited taxation and spending but at some point our municipalities have to generate SOME revenue to pay for the protection (fire and police), education (although they do need to put an effort towards making it a service worth half a crap), and other local things. How else would they do that?
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"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation."
-- Vladimir Lenin
 
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rjd970 said:
Property rights in this country is a joke. I pay a tax and insurance on my house and car every year, even though I own my car outright and will still pay taxes after the house is paid. Let's call this what it really is, RENT. Do we ever really own something the government can take from us at anytime if we don't pay them?
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I know what you are saying, but the effects of not paying taxes is quite similar to any other debt owed to a private party. Once you fail to pay your taxes, the government will put a lien on the property that is designed to satisfy the debt - only to the extent of the debt. If you owed a private party money that you failed to pay, they could go do the exact same thing. They get a judgment against you, execute on your property (with limited exemptions), and satisfy the debt.
 
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OrangeYankee said:
I definitely agree that taxing has gone crazy, and the spending has gone even worse.... but property taxes (if kept simple and flat) I've never had a problem with on principle. I am all for limited taxation and spending but at some point our municipalities have to generate SOME revenue to pay for the protection (fire and police), education (although they do need to put an effort towards making it a service worth half a crap), and other local things. How else would they do that?
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It's called the sales tax.
 
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MontereyVol said:
I wouldn't worry too much about the 'poor' farm owners in California.
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Well if they don't have water then technically they wouldn't be farmers anymore would they??

And if they can't generate enough income to pay their property taxes then eventually they wouldn't be land owners anymore either, would they?

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Farmers in California’s Central Valley claim they’re being robbed of precious water by an environmentalist preoccupation with an innocuous minnow called the Delta Smelt;

the little fish has managed to slither its way on to the endangered species list, and a federal court has closed off water pumps to farmers to irrigate their fields.

“California’s Central Valley is considered by many to be the richest and most productive farmland in the nation,”
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On its face, the Klamath River dam removal project makes no sense economically or environmentally.

The Klamath is the second largest river system in California and carries almost as much water as the Colorado River.

The proposed water bill package meant to build new dams for drought relief in California contains a weird and paradoxical provision to fund $250 million for part of the demolition of four dams. It is weird because the dams to be demolished are on the Klamath River in Southern Oregon. And it is paradoxical because it would eliminate clean hydroelectric power on the Klamath River and replace it with costly natural gas-fired power plants that pollute the air and allegedly contribute to “global warming.”

You might ask how a so-called California water bill that was meant to combat drought by building two new dams in California end up demolishing four dams in Oregon? And how could a water bill touted as being so “green” end up so brown? And why would so-called urban elites in Portland and Seattle not more strongly oppose the resulting air pollution from the dam removal project equal to 102,000 cars?
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Some of these farmers are WWII veterans and their families who built and paid for the irrigation canals and watering systems and settled the land, they and their heirs were guaranteed water forever.

I wouldn't worry you over this or anything else but IMO any American that isn't concerned is brain dead! :hi:
 
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It cost money to run a county... I wish the right-wing nutjobs would realize that. Schools, roads, police and fire protection, teachers, etc.... all cost money. It's up to the citizens to fund it. Like it or not
 
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thekicker33 said:
It cost money to run a county... I wish the right-wing nutjobs would realize that. Schools, roads, police and fire protection, teachers, etc.... all cost money. It's up to the citizens to fund it. Like it or not
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The problem is the government both local and federal keep coming back with their hands out forcing us to pay for more and more. Time for them to streamline their operation and make the tax dollar go further. This should always be done before asking for more.
 
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