Putin vs Clinton (Hillary)

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Putin vs. Clinton - Ben Smith's Blog - Politico.com

Putin vs. Clinton

When Hillary Clinton said, way back in New Hampshire, that Vladimir Putin "doesn't have a soul," I figured that would be the sort of thing the Russian wouldn't be pleased about. But when I called the foreign ministry the next day for comment, it was Orthodox Christmas, and I let it slide.
He was asked about the remark at his press conference yesterday, however, and indeed wasn't pleased.
The former KGB lieutenant colonel appeared to lash out at U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton — a leading Democratic candidate for president — when one reporter quoted her as saying that former KGB officers have no soul:
"At a minimum, a head of state should have a head," Putin said.
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Thoughts?
 
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Nope, I didn't say it was. But, like I said, it's more complicated than you make it out to be and westerners have an impenetrable cultural screen that makes them unable to understand the historical, psychological and cultural reasons behind the current political dynamics in Russia. Moreover, their incessant need to impose THEIR version of democracy on others makes them completely blind to a) the problems of imposing democracy when you don't have a clean political slate, 2) the fact that democracy, by definition is the will of the people who are residents of that country (and not Americans), and 3) that the majority of Russians love and respect Putin, and despite his unwillingness to serve a third term, they would gladly support a constitutional amendment that would allow him to do so.

Yes, Medvedev will likely win the election next month. And it will very likely be because Putin endorsed him. However, it will not be because voters will have AK47's to their temples as their punching their ballots. The people want Putin first, and if they can't have him, they want someone who works like him and works with him. That, my friend, is the will of the Russian people. And if you actually believe in democracy, you'll respect that.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
Nope, I didn't say it was. But, like I said, it's more complicated than you make it out to be and westerners have an impenetrable cultural screen that makes them unable to understand the historical, psychological and cultural reasons behind the current political dynamics in Russia. Moreover, their incessant need to impose THEIR version of democracy on others makes them completely blind to a) the problems of imposing democracy when you don't have a clean political slate, 2) the fact that democracy, by definition is the will of the people who are residents of that country (and not Americans), and 3) that the majority of Russians love and respect Putin, and despite his unwillingness to serve a third term, they would gladly support a constitutional amendment that would allow him to do so.

Yes, Medvedev will likely win the election next month. And it will very likely be because Putin endorsed him. However, it will not be because voters will have AK47's to their temples as their punching their ballots. The people want Putin first, and if they can't have him, they want someone who works like him and works with him. That, my friend, is the will of the Russian people. And if you actually believe in democracy, you'll respect that.
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Nice pulling the western card.

Putin is a harsh man with harsh methods...... there is no disputing that.

That is why I agree with the not having a soul comment.
 
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Democracy or Communism, its about checks and balances of which Putin has none. Also, I have served in Moscow dont let what your hearing from Russians in London represents the will of all Russians.
 
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MontereyVol said:
Democracy or Communism, its about checks and balances of which Putin has none. Also, I have served in Moscow dont let what your hearing from Russians in London represents the will of all Russians.
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Don't bother, you are an uniformed westerner!

:hi:

:)
 
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MontereyVol said:
Democracy or Communism, its about checks and balances of which Putin has none. Also, I have served in Moscow dont let what your hearing from Russians in London represents the will of all Russians.
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Yes, there are people there who don't like Putin, but a comfortable majority of the population does. FYI, my entire family with the exception of my mother is still in Russia and I go to Russia on business pretty much every week. I am pretty comfortable with my grasp of the situation.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
Yes, there are people there who don't like Putin, but a comfortable majority of the population does. FYI, my entire family with the exception of my mother is still in Russia and I go to Russia on business pretty much every week. I am pretty comfortable with my grasp of the situation.
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What does the population and Putin not being a nice person have to do with any thing?
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
Tyrants and despots aren't usually loved by their people.
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Putin benefited from being at the right place at the right time.

Putin brought back the hope of power and pride to the Russian people.

That is easy to understand...... it does not however excuse his practices.

I seriously doubt because the masses in general love him is an excuse to have people killed.
 
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It also all depends on the region you have intimate knowledge of.

Basically its like this, if you were a foreigner to the US and flew over here and visited Texas you would assume everyone loves Bush.
 
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MontereyVol said:
It also all depends on the region you have intimate knowledge of.

Basically its like this, if you were a foreigner to the US and flew over here and visited Texas you would assume everyone loves Bush.
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There is no doubt that there are people who oppose Putin, case in point, the majority of the high profile people are dead, but Putin took advantage of timing and gave the masses of Russia hope and pride.
 
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But the "masses" of Russia are more than just the Moscow side.

Eastern/Southern/Central Russians have a whole different outlook on things than their counter-parts in Moscow do, but you dont hear about them.
 
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MontereyVol said:
But the "masses" of Russia are more than just the Moscow side.

Eastern/Southern/Central Russians have a whole different outlook on things than their counter-parts in Moscow do, but you dont hear about them.
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I really hope you aren't trying to school me about my own motherland.
 
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If I wanted to I could school you in alot of things that are politics.

and I dont call Germany my own fatherland
 
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MontereyVol said:
If I wanted to I could school you in alot of things that are politics.

and I dont call Germany my own fatherland
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:eek:lol: I doubt it, sweetheart.

If you weren't born in Germany, didn't spend a substantial portion of your life there and don't return there regularly, you probably shouldn't.
 
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MontereyVol said:
It also all depends on the region you have intimate knowledge of.

Basically its like this, if you were a foreigner to the US and flew over here and visited Texas you would assume everyone loves Bush.
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come again? Spent much time around Austin or heard of a band called the Dixie Chicks?
 
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