Question for you recruiting guys

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This may be a stupid question and if it is or its been discussed on here I do apologize. My buddy is a UGA fan and we were talking football the other day and we were talking about what it would take for Florida and Alabama to be knocked down a knotch and not be so dominant on the recruiting trail any more.

Other than the obvious answer which is UT, or UGA in his case winning, I said that I think that it would help if FSU and Miami got back to where the used to be so that the state of Florida was dominated by the Gators. As far as Bama goes, I think it would help if Auburn started winning and beating Bama on the recruiting trail. Obviously the best thing for recruiting is winning and beating your rivals. I guess my biggest question to you guys is this: If FSU and Miami got back to where they used to be, would this be better for UT as all the top talent in Florida wouldn't want to be a Gator and it would be a little more evenly distributed throughout the state or would this hurt more than anything?

Sorry if this is stupid or trivial etc., just thought I would bring it to the VN and get some of you all's opinion on things?:hi:
 
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Logically it makes sense, but then again you still have to consider that major TV networks like ABC/ESPN, CBS, FSS, etc. constantly use the media outlet to basically "tell" recruits that "this is where you want to play." I think it's (sadly) part of the same reason Kiffy the Clown isn't worried too much about the sanctions hurting his recruiting. Either that, or the guy's just certifiably insane. :crazy: I'll take the latter.... :cool:
 
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Additionally, when Eddie Gran left the program for FSU, he already had south FL locked down for recruting. So, back to the "logical" thing, it relatively helps us, but not as much as consistently winning and beating rivals.
 
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It seems logical but not productive. We still wouldn't be getting the recruits to compete at a championship level. Its like voting for a guy that is not going to win no matter what. It takes away from the original cause. We have to take the 3 star and few 4 star guys and win with good coaching and playing their hearts out. Just like anything. Wins will come with time and hard work. Then the blue chips will come. :)
 
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I unfortunately think Alabama will continue to recruit successfully as long as Saban is there, he's one of the best in the business.

As for Florida, Meyer is also a good recruiter, but doesn't have to be as good as Saban since Meyer has a lot more talent in his front yard.

So, I think that FSU & Miami becoming stronger would hurt Florida more than a stronger Auburn could hurt the Gumps.
 
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Spoonman100 said:
It seems logical but not productive. We still wouldn't be getting the recruits to compete at a championship level. Its like voting for a guy that is not going to win no matter what. It takes away from the original cause. We have to take the 3 star and few 4 star guys and win with good coaching and playing their hearts out. Just like anything. Wins will come with time and hard work. Then the blue chips will come. :)
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Good question and good answers by all. :good!:
 
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forshadowing maybe? (Pat Martin)
 
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Alabama will always recruit well no matter what. Nick Saban has proven time and time he'll bring in top talent. Hell he was getting talent to Michigan State.

Urban Meyer...I don't know. I mean, Zook was bringing in talent and he sucked as a coach. I think it would help if FSU/Miami got back on track, but look at his top five recruits in 2010

Ronald Powell CA
Shariff Floyd PA
Dominique Easley NY

None of those guys are CLOSE to Florida...
 
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Urban's skill set only works in the college ranks. He would be a major failure in the NFL. On that note, I'd love to see it happen.
 
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I've been thinking about this a lot lately. What types of things cause a powerhouse to fall off the map.
80's Miami, 90's Bama, 90's Aubuhn - NCAA sanctions
2000's UT - QB struggles, 2007 recruiting class
2000's Florida St - UF outrecruiting them, QB struggles
90's Notre Dame, Nebraska - coaching changes

College football cycles. The only variable here is how long those cycles last. I would say the most common cause of a team falliing from power is coaching change. Meyer and Saban must go.
 
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Overall I'd answer "Yes" to the OP's question.

The state of Florida can support two or even three top-twenty teams. This past decade or so, Florida caught the perfect storm of (a) great coaches (Spurrier/Meyer); plus (b) benefitting from Miami's NCAA troubles and FSU's coaching malaise. IMO Miami or FSU must become relevant again before Florida loses its perch atop the SECE. Miami is (maybe...) rising and FSU is positioned to rise so the next few years will be interesting.

Alabama is a low-population state; hard for two in-state football teams to both be top-tier. Usually, when one is up, the other is down. By past standards, a resurgent Auburn would not be good for Alabama's recruiting. However, nowadays Alabama recruits nationally much more than in decades past, so I wouldn't bet the ranch that Alabama's future fortunes will fall if Auburn's arise.

IMO coaching changes (ND, NE, Miami), coaching malaise (FSU, TN, PSU for a few years), and NCAA sanctions (UA, AU, Miami, soon-to-be USCw) are the prime killers of programs that are flying high.
 
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