Reasons for QB and WR problems?

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I noticed the following comments by the head coach and receivers coach this week. Essentially, all of our receivers are in their first year under Azzani, and they are all having to learn his system, whether they are freshmen or juniors. Since Azzani admits his way of teaching routes takes longer to learn and results in more dropped passes during the learning stage, I wondered how this might factor into the difficulties the QB's are having, also.

Zach Azzani: I teach routes a little bit different. My philosophy is a little bit different. It takes them longer to learn, so that's why you're seeing some dropped passes right now....Route technique isn't anywhere near where I want it to be, and it's not going to be as a freshman. It's going to keep getting better and better as the years, months, days go by.

Butch Jones: The receiver position is a technique driven position...playing with a high level of physicality and blocking. It is very demanding. We take great pride in the fundamental aspect of playing wide receiver, it is a detail oriented position. It is a demanding position. People think you just go out there, you run the route, you catch the football. It is a thinking position, and everything happens fast, especially when you are a no-huddle offense.

If the receivers cannot learn his route system well in a short period of time, it seems that at some point, you would just have to simplify things in order to get people ready to play these early games.

Here's where I'm going. It ultimately falls on the coaches to have their players ready to play when game time comes. If they are not ready, there's only so much blame you can put on the players.

Tell me what you think. Am I crazy, or does this have merit?
 
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This is the best time for them to learn the techniques CZA is teaching.

If we are talking about these same players having issues with this technique years from now, then the coaching style is insane.
 
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Tell me what you think. Am I crazy, or does this have merit?

:lolabove:yes you are crazy and no this does not have merit
 
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Benchwarmer said:
I noticed the following comments by the head coach and receivers coach this week. Essentially, all of our receivers are in their first year under Azzani, and they are all having to learn his system, whether they are freshmen or juniors. Since Azzani admits his way of teaching routes takes longer to learn and results in more dropped passes during the learning stage, I wondered how this might factor into the difficulties the QB's are having, also.

Zach Azzani: I teach routes a little bit different. My philosophy is a little bit different. It takes them longer to learn, so that's why you're seeing some dropped passes right now....Route technique isn't anywhere near where I want it to be, and it's not going to be as a freshman. It's going to keep getting better and better as the years, months, days go by.

Butch Jones: The receiver position is a technique driven position...playing with a high level of physicality and blocking. It is very demanding. We take great pride in the fundamental aspect of playing wide receiver, it is a detail oriented position. It is a demanding position. People think you just go out there, you run the route, you catch the football. It is a thinking position, and everything happens fast, especially when you are a no-huddle offense.

If the receivers cannot learn his route system well in a short period of time, it seems that at some point, you would just have to simplify things in order to get people ready to play these early games.

Here's where I'm going. It ultimately falls on the coaches to have their players ready to play when game time comes. If they are not ready, there's only so much blame you can put on the players.

Tell me what you think. Am I crazy, or does this have merit?
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I'm just glad you didn't use the term "what say you" :good!:
 
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Of course there's lots of room for improvement. If we were to win a NC this year, QBs and receivers would need to improve greatly. Coaches aren't supposed to ever be completely content. It's no big deal.
 
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Well, some blame would have to be placed on the players for not learning the routes quick enough.

Im gonna guess here, but I would think the ones you see play are the ones who have learned. So this won't be as big of an issue 2 weeks from now, that is when you will see who knows their stuff.
 
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I know it's not politically correct to bring this up--after all, we are all supposed to be unbridled optimists at this time of year--but I cannot help but think of what happened in Fulmer's last year. The new offensive coordinator (Dave Clawson) never got his players to understand his system, and we were terrible offensively that year, costing Fulmer his job. It wasn't the players fault, in my opinion, that they were not ready to play. The fault was the coaches.

I really don't see that scenario repeating this year, but just the fact that it has happened before, gives me pause for reflection.
 
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If I understand Butch's system (and I probably only get 10% of it at this point....) his offense is a system built around QB/WR non-verbal ques at the line of scrimmage. The QB/WRs see the defensive set simultaneously and make the appropriate route adjustments basically "on the fly". When it works, it is a thing of beauty. When it doesn't balls are hitting receivers in the back or potentially thrown where no one is. Its not just on the WRs, the QB and WRs almost have to be in each other's mind.
 
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utvols74 said:
If I understand Butch's system (and I probably only get 10% of it at this point....) his offense is a system built around QB/WR non-verbal ques at the line of scrimmage. The QB/WRs see the defensive set simultaneously and make the appropriate route adjustments basically "on the fly". When it works, it is a thing of beauty. When it doesn't balls are hitting receivers in the back or potentially thrown where no one is. Its not just on the WRs, the QB and WRs almost have to be in each other's mind.
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I can see this working well in the NFL, but I'm not sure how well it works for new QB's and new receivers trying to learn a new offense, and who don't yet know how to read defenses.
 
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Isn't this their third stop together as a staff. I wonder if they know what they're doing? Or maybe we know more to where we should be making adjustments for the staff. Its too complicated for this team. Lets debate it.
 
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darkgable said:
Isn't this their third stop together as a staff. I wonder if they know what they're doing? Or maybe we know more to where we should be making adjustments for the staff. Its too complicated for this team. Lets debate it.
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I agree, CBJ"s was so dumb founded in the orange and white game, he was asking fans in the stadium to call plays for him, sign he's in way over head.
 
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Benchwarmer said:
I noticed the following comments by the head coach and receivers coach this week. Essentially, all of our receivers are in their first year under Azzani, and they are all having to learn his system, whether they are freshmen or juniors. Since Azzani admits his way of teaching routes takes longer to learn and results in more dropped passes during the learning stage, I wondered how this might factor into the difficulties the QB's are having, also.

Zach Azzani: I teach routes a little bit different. My philosophy is a little bit different. It takes them longer to learn, so that's why you're seeing some dropped passes right now....Route technique isn't anywhere near where I want it to be, and it's not going to be as a freshman. It's going to keep getting better and better as the years, months, days go by.

Butch Jones: The receiver position is a technique driven position...playing with a high level of physicality and blocking. It is very demanding. We take great pride in the fundamental aspect of playing wide receiver, it is a detail oriented position. It is a demanding position. People think you just go out there, you run the route, you catch the football. It is a thinking position, and everything happens fast, especially when you are a no-huddle offense.

If the receivers cannot learn his route system well in a short period of time, it seems that at some point, you would just have to simplify things in order to get people ready to play these early games.

Here's where I'm going. It ultimately falls on the coaches to have their players ready to play when game time comes. If they are not ready, there's only so much blame you can put on the players.

Tell me what you think. Am I crazy, or does this have merit?
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How many times did we see CP run the correct route, some get it quick and some take longer. I believe he is talking general statements.
 
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Benchwarmer said:
I know it's not politically correct to bring this up--after all, we are all supposed to be unbridled optimists at this time of year--but I cannot help but think of what happened in Fulmer's last year. The new offensive coordinator (Dave Clawson) never got his players to understand his system, and we were terrible offensively that year, costing Fulmer his job. It wasn't the players fault, in my opinion, that they were not ready to play. The fault was the coaches.

I really don't see that scenario repeating this year, but just the fact that it has happened before, gives me pause for reflection.
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The 2 scenarios are not remotely related IMHO. CBJ and CZA are just saying that learning the route tree, the technical aspects of how they teach it and want it learned and the fast-paced/no huddle offense all added together just mean that the learning curve for the WRs is a little longer, that's all. We will have WRs ready to perform and produce when the season starts ... just not to the lofty standards they expect in the long term which is completely understandable. It's a process and as the WRs continue to learn over time they will only get better.

Clawson, on the other hand , was certifiably insane in how he wanted to run his system. Go no further than switching your guards and tackles constantly, play to play based on which was the short side of the field ... that's absolutely crazy....
 
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I'm OK with seeing some rebuilding/relearning stuff going on, because I'm a realist.

I really hope that I don't have to read foam-flecking hysterical rants when things are rocky due to the learning curve, but I suppose I will be reading them, because again, I'm a realist. :crazy:
 
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