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Does anyone think the departure of Mark Elder could have weakened our recruiting as a whole? Under him, it seemed we were getting more of the highly touted guys and less of the developmental projects. We also seemed to be in the running with the top recruits for longer into the cycle than we are now. He got that promotion to HC for a reason right? He also led our best special teams unit in a long time. Thoughts?
 
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Fall off in recruiting is more on going from being able to sell hope and immediate playing time to not being able to sell hope and immediate playing time. People don't want to ride bench for a potential loser. They are willing to sit if it's a place that can get them into pros with just one or two years of play. Butch chokes the reason not elder leaving
 
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Z was the RC until recently. I believe Gillespie took over those duties this past year.
 
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Elder might rethink his career move looking at EKU results this year.
 
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In my humble opinion, the main thing we sold kids on early to the elite kids was "come here and you'll play early, look what we did at a smaller school, we can be elite here at Tennessee". Can't keep selling the future when the present isn't so impressive. If we won 11-12 games, our recruiting class would have finished higher than it will with 9 wins. Also, we really don't have freshmen that come out and look elite immediately like some schools are doing. Barnett was probably the last true freshmen with a great season with tons of snaps. Warrior was the closest thing we had this year and he didn't even win a starting role.

Kirkland was pretty damn good, forgot about that
 
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OddFuture said:
In my humble opinion, the main thing we sold kids on early to the elite kids was "come here and you'll play early, look what we did at a smaller school, we can be elite here at Tennessee". Can't keep selling the future when the present isn't so impressive. If we won 11-12 games, our recruiting class would have finished higher than it will with 9 wins. Also, we really don't have freshmen that come out and look elite immediately like some schools are doing. Barnett was probably the last true freshmen with a great season with tons of snaps. Warrior was the closest thing we had this year and he didn't even win a starting role.

Kirkland was pretty damn good, forgot about that
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Yeah, I feel like Butch will just take his bet on the guy thats been in the program a while rather than rely on a newbie, even if they show a greater penchant for the position. I think it comes from loyalty and conservatism. Not necessarily a bad thing, but he could stand to be more versatile.
 
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VOL-uh-tile said:
Does anyone think the departure of Mark Elder could have weakened our recruiting as a whole? Under him, it seemed we were getting more of the highly touted guys and less of the developmental projects. We also seemed to be in the running with the top recruits for longer into the cycle than we are now. He got that promotion to HC for a reason right? He also led our best special teams unit in a long time. Thoughts?
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Going 8 and 4 and losing to SC and Vandy late in the year and the other team coaches saying Butch could be gone after the 17 season is what really hurt us, it will affect the 18 class as well if we lose 3 or 4 in the 17 season the talk will began and your elite recruit won't come if they don't know who the coach is going to be.
 
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VOL-uh-tile said:
Yeah, I feel like Butch will just take his bet on the guy thats been in the program a while rather than rely on a newbie, even if they show a greater penchant for the position. I think it comes from loyalty and conservatism. Not necessarily a bad thing, but he could stand to be more versatile.
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Agreed.

I loved guys like Vereen and Lewis, but Butch/Strip gives Taylor how many snaps? Maybe he's not as good as fans want to think, but if he goes out there next year and gets 7+ sacks, won't us as fans be like "why wasn't this guy out here sooner"? Same goes for a handful of other guys including Callaway at WR, Bituli at LB, Phillips on the DL, even a guy like Dillon Bates hasn't gotten a fair shake in games at LB.

I know not all of those guys are/will be elite for us, but with poor play happening at some of those positions anyway, its really strange to not see some of these guys getting at least a chance in games
 
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VOL-uh-tile said:
Yeah, I feel like Butch will just take his bet on the guy thats been in the program a while rather than rely on a newbie, even if they show a greater penchant for the position. I think it comes from loyalty and conservatism. Not necessarily a bad thing, but he could stand to be more versatile.
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Butch is to loyal and that could cost him his job if he doesn't watch it.
 
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terrypedigo said:
Going 8 and 4 and losing to SC and Vandy late in the year and the other team coaches saying Butch could be gone after the 17 season is what really hurt us, it will affect the 18 class as well if we lose 3 or 4 in the 17 season the talk will began and your elite recruit won't come if they don't know who the coach is going to be.
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Agree. Winning was everything this year. Picked to go 10-2 and win the East and going 8-4 regular season does not get it done.

Injuries has also exposed that their recruiting depth after 4 years is lacking big time. Having to start a walk-on LB over the rest is not good.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
Agree. Winning was everything this year. Picked to go 10-2 and win the East and going 8-4 regular season does not get it done.

Injuries has also exposed that their recruiting depth after 4 years is lacking big time. Having to start a walk-on LB over the rest is not good.
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Nashvegas31 said:
Fall off in recruiting is more on going from being able to sell hope and immediate playing time to not being able to sell hope and immediate playing time. People don't want to ride bench for a potential loser. They are willing to sit if it's a place that can get them into pros with just one or two years of play. Butch chokes the reason not elder leaving
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Silly and not true.
 
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bignewt said:
Elder might rethink his career move looking at EKU results this year.
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Year Zero for Elder...no worries. 6 or 7 more years to rebuild and EKU will be a power house. He learned from the best.

I do think he was a big loss for the Vols in 2016.
 
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VOL-uh-tile said:
Does anyone think the departure of Mark Elder could have weakened our recruiting as a whole? Under him, it seemed we were getting more of the highly touted guys and less of the developmental projects. We also seemed to be in the running with the top recruits for longer into the cycle than we are now. He got that promotion to HC for a reason right? He also led our best special teams unit in a long time. Thoughts?
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His departure has weakened us on returns, penalties, turnovers and recruiting if you ask me.
 
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I don't know if it was Butch's 2015 in-game coaching decisions, Hunter, Tee, Title IX, or what, but something was off for this class way early. I do feel like the SC and Vandy losses were primarily due to injuries. But those losses and Butch's additional in-game coaching decisions may have put a late run at a strong NSD out of reach.
 
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In my opinion, recruiting troubles started last year. The class looked good by signing day but it was a mad scramble, which can't repeated annually, and lack of quality at DT already has had a negative impact.
 
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wtorange said:
Not having Berry and Sutton hurt the productivity of our special teams. Our coverage teams were among the best in the country again this year.
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Yes those are the two best returners in the country. Hard to replace them. Kamara is damn good but Sutton is nasty.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
Don't know, you're one that has turned sour over the past year. You tell me.
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Ha yeah I'm the sour one. You must have me confused with a pub name, a cat's anatomy or an avatar of a boat that needs to sink.
 
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