Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[Devo182]

Brady Hoke nearly took a generational leader away from us and potentially millions from JJ. Thank you CPF and CJP for being believers in these young men and redemption.

This may go doubly for CJP and JG.

 

[jakez4ut]

Draft day doesn’t tell you how good a team was. South Carolina will have more drafted players than Appy state, we will have more than GA state & BYU etc. there’s Some bad coaches in the SEC now and it’s dragging down the conference. Mason, mushchamp, Morris,Moorhead (who i was wrong on), Odom. Are not good coaches.

Mason and Muschamp have both been on the other side of this....recently. Mason was being lauded the last couple years for getting vandy to bowls and beating TN, now he's gonna be ousted because vandy went back to being vandy....? losing theQB and getting young on defense hurt them a lot.

i think it's a year to year deal now. staffs change a lot these days, and i don't know about Mason's staff, but i think it's safe to say that while USCe lost a lot with Samuel, they returned a lot of offensive production...so i wonder how good a hire he made in promoting McClendon? and maybe that's an issue?

defensively....that's another story, but they have been relatively young.

still, it's year 4 for him....but the schedule was ridiculous....

i'm sure next year if pruitt loses to OU, UF, Bama and UGA there'll be some that say "what gives?".....

Stoops at KY takes a relatively big step back from last year after trying to dissuade everyone from thinking they would....so does he get points for meeting the expectation, even though the expectation was regression?

Morris...awful. he didn't have to win big, just don't suck out loud. well.......................

which brings me to my point....i know we're hung up on the recruiting, and rightfully so....it does need to take off at some point....but...i think we've seen in two years that this staff can at least develop players and get better.

i'm not expecting a huge splash on the class this year, i think it'll be solid. i also think next year's schedule is a tad more difficult with OU on it. so i look at what is out there potentially for us and i think next year we could maybe "better", but the record not necessarily improve all that dramatically.

i'll go ahead and say it though, i do think at some point, sooner than later, we need to have a noteworthy win that gets the national spotlight on us...even if it's just for a minute. lol.

something else to show progress.

which is one reason why i'd like us to play someone at least with a name in the bowl. PSU or Michigan...the opportunity to put a stamp on this season wiht a top 15 win over a name would be great, and maybe put a little umph in closing this class in February. if we lose that game, so what, no sin in losing to a top tier big 10 team. it's almost a no lose situation...the upside in winning a game like that definitely out weighs the burden of losing it.

anyway...i like where we're headed, though it still seems it maybe a little slow going.....i can live with that as long as it keeps moving the right way.

 

[Volbucky]

Brady Hoke nearly took a generational leader away from us and potentially millions from JJ. Thank you CPF and CJP for being believers in these young men and redemption.

This may go doubly for CJP and JG.

Brady Hoke only stoked the fire in JJ. People like JJ will find success no matter where they land.

I’m glad he landed back at Tennessee though.

 

[SweetasSoda]

i dont' think either one has defenses like we're used to, as has played out when you watch them against anyone with a pulse offensively....

but i'll be fair regarding their game against each other....and say neither of them have offenses like we're used to either....especially LSU.

Agreed. He said Bama had a great D this year. Not anywhere close to what it used to be.

 

[kemotoe]

WRs look better this year and RBs look worse

Agree. If there is any change in coaching it’s going to be Coach Johnson. His contract is up at the end of this year.

 

[jakez4ut]

I don't like it, either. I want Trey to have one more year in orange-- just like I did with Grant Williams.

And I'd like all the SRs to get a do-over year for 2017.

to that point, the thing that gave Kirby that momentum he got in year two is because the majority of the guys that could come back, did come back. very few left for the NFL.
now we wont' have wholesale early departures for the draft...but if a couple of them that can come back, do....that could help a great deal next year....

 

[UTSuave’]

Nearly identical this season as last year...he's gotten less targets in the receiving game, not sure that's him regressing though.

I think he's not staying as healthy, same thing happened last year. Had a big game early (Texas-El Paso in 2018, BYU this year) and then faded. Then appears to get healthy and has solid outings towards the end (Kentucky & Missouri in 2018 and South Carolina & UAB this year).

I guess what I’m getting at is I’ve not seen him make as many big or explosive plays as he made in years past.Ty doesn’t seem to get that separation break/avoid the tackles like he was years previously.so not 100% regressed but something has changed definitely not the same Ty we have watched play for 3 years.

 

[HankHill]

Mason and Muschamp have both been on the other side of this....recently. Mason was being lauded the last couple years for getting vandy to bowls and beating TN, now he's gonna be ousted because vandy went back to being vandy....? losing theQB and getting young on defense hurt them a lot.

i think it's a year to year deal now. staffs change a lot these days, and i don't know about Mason's staff, but i think it's safe to say that while USCe lost a lot with Samuel, they returned a lot of offensive production...so i wonder how good a hire he made in promoting McClendon? and maybe that's an issue?

defensively....that's another story, but they have been relatively young.

still, it's year 4 for him....but the schedule was ridiculous....

i'm sure next year if pruitt loses to OU, UF, Bama and UGA there'll be some that say "what gives?".....

Stoops at KY takes a relatively big step back from last year after trying to dissuade everyone from thinking they would....so does he get points for meeting the expectation, even though the expectation was regression?

Morris...awful. he didn't have to win big, just don't suck out loud. well.......................

which brings me to my point....i know we're hung up on the recruiting, and rightfully so....it does need to take off at some point....but...i think we've seen in two years that this staff can at least develop players and get better.

i'm not expecting a huge splash on the class this year, i think it'll be solid. i also think next year's schedule is a tad more difficult with OU on it. so i look at what is out there potentially for us and i think next year we could maybe "better", but the record not necessarily improve all that dramatically.

i'll go ahead and say it though, i do think at some point, sooner than later, we need to have a noteworthy win that gets the national spotlight on us...even if it's just for a minute. lol.

something else to show progress.

which is one reason why i'd like us to play someone at least with a name in the bowl. PSU or Michigan...the opportunity to put a stamp on this season wiht a top 15 win over a name would be great, and maybe put a little umph in closing this class in February. if we lose that game, so what, no sin in losing to a top tier big 10 team. it's almost a no lose situation...the upside in winning a game like that definitely out weighs the burden of losing it.

anyway...i like where we're headed, though it still seems it maybe a little slow going.....i can live with that as long as it keeps moving the right way.

I think everything you said is fair. I mean not long ago you had James Franklin, spurrier, urban Meyer, saban, les miles, Mullen at MSU, richt, pinkel at mizz etc and that’s why the SEC was so great as a whole. You had all these proven good to great coaches and now you have a lot of question marks.

The point about Pruitt is fair too. It’s great that he’s got the rig on the road now and looks to be figuring things out but there’s still questions to be had especially when you bring up lack of note worthy wins Paired with less than top tier recruiting. While we’re all certainly happy about what’s going on now, the national buzz won’t pick up until we beat at least one of the big dogs and that’s fair.

 

[UTProf]

we'll be in Florida for a bowl game. i have little doubt about that at this point.

i hate playing penn state cause every time we've played them we've found ways to lose.....but that would be a marquis win. and again, beating James Franklin would be fun.

i'd have no problem in playing Michigan either. another marquis name.

plus, neither Michigan nor PSU had dreams of playing a 7-5 3rd place TN team in a bowl that no one cares about. they both were shooting for Rose bowl/NY6 at minimum with playoffs on the peripheral.

if it's Iowa, Indiana or L'ville, that's fine. i'll still be happy about it.

basically........i don't really care who we play.

lol.

I'm not scared of any matchup. Assuming we take care of Vanderbilt, this team will be on fire by the time a bowl game comes around and our staff has proven to be outstanding at gameplanning as well as half-time adjustments on defense. Our biggest weaknesses right now, are the little mistakes and that's both on staff and players (too many men on the field/sub penalty, not lining up at the right spot for kicks, mental errors by players, clock management etc.) but Pruitt and the staff have a great grasp of the overall picture both in terms of winning an individual game and in terms of where the program needs to be.

Bowl practice gives the staff and the players time to sort out the little things that have been dogging us (we all know the Mizzou game should've been a much bigger win but the little things got us) and with the confidence they've gained they should be able to hang with anyone. I've seen enough of Pruitt and Chaney that I don't fear getting outcoached when it comes to the strategic aspect of things. It's the small stuff we need to work on and a lot of that is just practice/repetition and self-discipline.

 

[Bearwallow Bandit]

Draft day doesn’t tell you how good a team was. South Carolina will have more drafted players than Appy state, we will have more than GA state & BYU etc. there’s Some bad coaches in the SEC now and it’s dragging down the conference. Mason, mushchamp, Morris,Moorhead (who i was wrong on), Odom. Are not good coaches.

Where are you at on Pruitt?

 

[VolGee4]

You just made my point.

Getting your team into the wrong play or wrong personale on the first play of a drive is a real problem that can’t me made in game 11


I understand this board wants to overlook clear signs this coaching staff isn’t performing at an elite level yet when we win but if Pruitt wants to take this program to the next level we can’t have these kind of mistakes

One TO was taken when JJ was in the wildcat and the WR’s on the right weren’t lined up correctly. Pretty sure the coaches didn’t tell them to do that.

Sometimes, a defense matches an offense with something the coach doesn’t like. I know you know this, but you are arguing it anyway.

 

[barrylee]

Pruitt has the smartassery of David Spade, the aversion to complacency of Nick Saban and the simplistic honesty of Forrest Gump.

One of your very best lol

 

[jakez4ut]

You just made my point.

Getting your team into the wrong play or wrong personale on the first play of a drive is a real problem that can’t me made in game 11


I understand this board wants to overlook clear signs this coaching staff isn’t performing at an elite level yet when we win but if Pruitt wants to take this program to the next level we can’t have these kind of mistakes

i think everyone acknowledges that calling a TO as soon as JG popped off the turf was the right thing to do.

but, as you play it out, we had just gotten a TD, got the ball back and was in position to score again....so we get two scores to end the half and avoid the 2 for 1.

plus, that play wasn't a designed QB run. i think the play breaking down and it ending the way it did probably fudged things up a bit. if he throws it and it's incomplete the clock stops, or he completes it and we score or get a first down, clock stops.

if they had to do it over again, i'm sure they'd rather call it with 8 seconds left and take a shot. but rahter than making it any worse, they called it at 3 seconds, kicked the FG....and at the end of the day, it's fairly probable that even if we get that extra play before the FG, the net result is a FG to end the half.

so we can make this out to be some huge coaching gaffe if you want....but it ain't Doolely or Jones level clock management issues we're talking about here, and definitley not with the game on the line. he took a breath, and mitigated the situation and that's about the end of it as far as i'm concerned.

all that said, i would bet that a lot of the conversation on Sunday delat with situational football.....pruitt said it in the post game "gotta play smarter".

what else you want?

 

[SweetasSoda]

I'm not scared of any matchup. Assuming we take care of Vanderbilt, this team will be on fire by the time a bowl game comes around and our staff has proven to be outstanding at gameplanning as well as half-time adjustments on defense. Our biggest weaknesses right now, are the little mistakes and that's both on staff and players (too many men on the field/sub penalty, not lining up at the right spot for kicks, mental errors by players, clock management etc.) but Pruitt and the staff have a great grasp of the overall picture both in terms of winning an individual game and in terms of where the program needs to be.

Bowl practice gives the staff and the players time to sort out the little things that have been dogging us (we all know the Mizzou game should've been a much bigger win but the little things got us) and with the confidence they've gained they should be able to hang with anyone. I've seen enough of Pruitt and Chaney that I don't fear getting outcoached when it comes to the strategic aspect of things. It's the small stuff we need to work on and a lot of that is just practice/repetition and self-discipline.

Yes, so happy with the game planning + adjustments. Think some of the mental errors are coming from our guys getting so hyped up. Think they are hyped up because they believe and are finally comfortable in what they are supposed to be doing. It's fun to watch them play until someone gets too excited and does something crazy like Sham did.

 

[jakez4ut]

I think everything you said is fair. I mean not long ago you had James Franklin, spurrier, urban Meyer, saban, les miles, Mullen at MSU, richt, pinkel at mizz etc and that’s why the SEC was so great as a whole. You had all these proven good to great coaches and now you have a lot of question marks.

The point about Pruitt is fair too. It’s great that he’s got the rig on the road now and looks to be figuring things out but there’s still questions to be had especially when you bring up lack of note worthy wins Paired with less than top tier recruiting. While we’re all certainly happy about what’s going on now, the national buzz won’t pick up until we beat at least one of the big dogs and that’s fair.

yup.

the only thing i will say about this season for pruitt is that i think a lot of folks that have been paying attention are giving all due respect to the job this staff did this year, when you take all things in to consideration. to have legitimate football people talking about him being in the conversation for COY after losing to GSU and BYU tells me a lot about what people think about the job he did this year....manaing the personnel, the QB situation, getting the roster to buy back in baiscally...anyway.

right direction....it has more of a feel of "when" not "if"...

 

[BruinVol]

That’s not always on the coaches tho. There’s 11 players that have to hear/understand the play call. Sometimes when you get out there you realize the play you called is not going to work so you try and check and are forced to call a TO. It’s really easy to get a delay call off a timeout, quarter change etc bc you’re out of rythem.

I just think you’re putting way too much value in timeouts. They really aren’t all that important in college.

Sure it’s not always on the coaches but ultimately on the first play of a drive it’s much easier to get the players prepared for a play unless of course it’s a sudden change situation and this wasn’t


Btw you keep mentioning TOs aren’t that important in college I assume that’s because of the first down clock difference with the nfl?

Imo the two minute warning pretty much offsets that difference between college and the Nfl. Negligible difference in the value of a TO between the nfl and college imo

 

[Devo182]

Asked about the change in RBs in their spread offense.

Orgeron: "the little running back, the scat back uhh especially the back that can catch the ball out of the backfield. The big bruising tailback, not to say he can't play in this offense, but it just doesn't fit".

We are really living in the future folks. Even LSU has seen the light.

Some will still exist and succeed, no doubt, but overall the big bruisers are dying off the way fullbacks did. They just don't make as much sense.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Potentially Hot Take coming in -

I had it 3 times now, and can now definitively say:

The Popeye’s Spicy Chicken Sandwich is superior to Chik-fil-A’s in every way.

The Lord sees you is all I have to say.

 

[BruinVol]

i think everyone acknowledges that calling a TO as soon as JG popped off the turf was the right thing to do.

but, as you play it out, we had just gotten a TD, got the ball back and was in position to score again....so we get two scores to end the half and avoid the 2 for 1.

plus, that play wasn't a designed QB run. i think the play breaking down and it ending the way it did probably fudged things up a bit. if he throws it and it's incomplete the clock stops, or he completes it and we score or get a first down, clock stops.

if they had to do it over again, i'm sure they'd rather call it with 8 seconds left and take a shot. but rahter than making it any worse, they called it at 3 seconds, kicked the FG....and at the end of the day, it's fairly probable that even if we get that extra play before the FG, the net result is a FG to end the half.

so we can make this out to be some huge coaching gaffe if you want....but it ain't Doolely or Jones level clock management issues we're talking about here, and definitley not with the game on the line. he took a breath, and mitigated the situation and that's about the end of it as far as i'm concerned.

all that said, i would bet that a lot of the conversation on Sunday delat with situational football.....pruitt said it in the post game "gotta play smarter".

what else you want?

I don’t blame the coaches for anything other than calling a TO before we even ran a play that drive. The rest was perfectly fine and I don’t even agree with the announcers that thought we should take one more play and throw it to the end zone. Without the TO, I think we inappropriately used to start the drive, it wasn’t worth the risk of running the play imo

 

[Batman1948]

Agree. The good thing for him is he will probably go to good cultured team bc Questions About his dismissal will come up so a team like New England, Kansas City, Seattle, Philadelphia etc will take a chance on him if i has to guess.

If that's the case, Dallas would jump all over him. Jones loves bad boys. I remember when he signed almost everyone dismissed by other NFL teams.

 

[LA Vol]

to that point, the thing that gave Kirby that momentum he got in year two is because the majority of the guys that could come back, did come back. very few left for the NFL.
now we wont' have wholesale early departures for the draft...but if a couple of them that can come back, do....that could help a great deal next year....

If Kennedy decides to petition for a 6th year, that'll be a big help to the OL. Then we'll have Gooden, BJohnson and CFA back and possibly Buchanan, though that seems increasingly unlikely. Then we have RS JRs like JAllen and Gibbs, who'll add experience.

But we'll miss these SRs-- their leadership and their ability to make big plays in big moments. If we could have all of them back, nobody would want to play us next year.

 

[jakez4ut]

If Kennedy decides to petition for a 6th year, that'll be a big help to the OL. Then we'll have Gooden, BJohnson and CFA back and possibly Buchanan, though that seems increasingly unlikely. Then we have RS JRs like JAllen and Gibbs, who'll add experience.

But we'll miss these SRs-- their leadership and their ability to make big plays in big moments. If we could have all of them back, nobody would want to play us next year.

yep. i told all y'all we fired butch a year to late.

 

[tn88volfan]

Wife just texted me and said I am buying you these:
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Do they come in men’s?

 

[jakez4ut]

I don’t blame the coaches for anything other than calling a TO before we even ran a play that drive. The rest was perfectly fine and I don’t even agree with the announcers that thought we should take one more play and throw it to the end zone. Without the TO, I think we inappropriately used to start the drive, it wasn’t worth the risk of running the play imo

ok, gotcha. i misread something then. nevermind.

 

[HankHill]

Sure it’s not always on the coaches but ultimately on the first play of a drive it’s much easier to get the players prepared for a play unless of course it’s a sudden change situation and this wasn’t


Btw you keep mentioning TOs aren’t that important in college I assume that’s because of the first down clock difference with the nfl?

Imo the two minute warning pretty much offsets that difference between college and the Nfl. Negligible difference in the value of a TO between the nfl and college imo

The two minute warning isn’t always going to be something you can use tho. Also in the nfl without the 1st down clock stop, you basically can only target WRs outside the numbers in desperation mode.